Song of the Moment: Sirens

[Norah]

Is there a big difference between Flac and Wav ?

there is no difference between flac and wav in terms of the sound

[stip]

serious question Chud--can you explain what the difference would be with the 4 download options

[Norah]

what are the options?

[Strat]

Is there a big difference between Flac and Wav ?

there is no difference between flac in wav in terms of the sound

Wav is basically just an unzip flac isnt it? I always convert my flacs to wav's cause I dont have ability to play flac

[stip]

mp3
lossless
flac
wav

[Norah]

lossless isn't an option, it just describes what FLAC and WAV are

[Norah]

actually im downloading what they call lossless now to see what it actually is.

[Norah]

oh i bet it's apple lossless

[stip]

lossless isn't an option, it just describes what FLAC and WAV are

I thought flac and lossless were the same thing so I got confused.

[Birds in Hell]

actually im downloading what they call lossless now to see what it actually is.

It's Apple Lossless, Apple's proprietary version of FLAC.

I'm thankful for that option, it's one less conversion step for me.

[Birds in Hell]

lossless isn't an option, it just describes what FLAC and WAV are

I thought flac and lossless were the same thing so I got confused.

They are.

[Birds in Hell]

oh i bet it's apple lossless

Oh, yeah.

[AllNiteThing]

Is there a big difference between Flac and Wav ?

there is no difference between flac in wav in terms of the sound

Wav is basically just an unzip flac isnt it? I always convert my flacs to wav's cause I dont have ability to play flac

You don't have Winamp?

[WtOB?]

I haven't paid attention to anything today. What's this talk of a video and a 10c download?

- there's a video of the band playing the song live (in a studio, anyway)
- if you pre-ordered the album through 10C you can download Sirens in MP3/FLAC from pearljam.com

Oh, and I like the song; that's clearly news.

You like this shit?

Yeah, man.

Wise up, ghost.

it's pretty good, chud.

[Norah]

WAV is a format that contains raw PCM audio. PCM is the digital standard for expressing audio as a series of 1s and 0s. CDs use another format called Red Book that also contains raw PCM audio. But WAV became the standard for computers way back in the day.

FLAC and Apple Lossless are two competing formats that more efficiently code that audio without discarding any pieces of the audio itself. That's why it's called lossless. It's a form of file compression that doesn't lose any of the actual data. It's just a more efficient way to write it.

MP3 is lossy. It takes away tiny bits of audio data and the playback algorithm guesses what those bits should sound like based on the bits surrounding them. Kind of like removing every 4th frame of a movie and having a computer redraw those frames based on what's seen in frame 3 and 5. They also chop off the frequencies which are above the audible human range. Even though you technially can't hear those frequencies, the result of losing them, along with the missing pieces that are being redrawn, is that flat, 2-dimensional sound of an mp3.

[AllNiteThing]

Ok here is my rip of the video.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/uwp2vq


Ripped it using Audacity and Soundflower etc...

Wav

Hopefully it will suffice.

Thanks SO much for this...it sounds great! I think I like this a little more than the studio version.

[Rusted Sign]

I think this song is indicative of my place. Back when I was fantasising about being 'tissue man' every time Bridget Fonda sneezed (from any hole really), I would have hated this song. I arrived late in the album game, so my first encounter with cheddar Vedder was probably Nothingman, which got Munstered out of the of party by songs like Last Exit and Not For You. These days, whilst I still love stinky Bishops Finger, rocking, ball sweat tracks, I've surrendered to the mild, sandwich filling slices of music that sustain me through the quieter, more reflective aspects of my adult life. Cheese references aside, I can connect with a song like this more than I can with a track like Mind Your Manners. I still want to be that kid, spazzing out to dirty punk, Dairylea gargling in my throat, trying to recreate the agnst of a bunch of angry strangers. In all honesty though, that dickhead died a long time ago, and what's left is a thirty-something music fan who appreciates songs that move him on a more intimate level. Case in point, that last sentence was written in a cunty third person perspective, and I don't care. Like I don't care that I love this song. Or that 'he' loves the song. I might be a cunt for liking this song, but sometimes a cunt is a warm, safe, cheesy place to be. And I'm fine with that.

[AllNiteThing]

WAV is a format that contains raw PCM audio. PCM is the digital standard for expressing audio as a series of 1s and 0s. CDs use another format called Red Book that also contains raw PCM audio. But WAV became the standard for computers way back in the day.

FLAC and Apple Lossless are two competing formats that more efficiently code that audio without discarding any pieces of the audio itself. That's why it's called lossless. It's a form of file compression that doesn't lose any of the actual data. It's just a more efficient way to write it.

MP3 is lossy. It takes away tiny bits of audio data and the playback algorithm guesses what those bits should sound like based on the bits surrounding them. Kind of like removing every 4th frame a movie film and having a computer redraw those frames based on what's seen in frame 3 and 5. They also chop off the frequencies which are above the audible human range. Even though you technially can't hear those frequencies, the result of losing them, along with the missing pieces that are being redrawn, is that flat, 2-dimensional sound of an mp3.

Thanks for that description. I just started downloading FLAC albums myself after discovering the major differences in quality. With headphones it's like listening to an album for the first time, even if you've been familiar with it for decades.

My next step is to try to stream through my surround system. Lossless is the way to go, you can't go back once you experience it.

[Norah]

With headphones it's like listening to an album for the first time, even if you've been familiar with it for decades.

Nothing beats lossless audio and a nice set of cans.

[Norah]

You guys remember SHNs? Those sucked.