Song of the Moment: Sirens

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

im pretty sure im not a hipster

[Juvenal]

I don't know if some people here are hipsters. Smug arrogant pricks, yes. Hipsters, no.

[Thejambi]

To me, this data really hammers home which album is the worst in the collection.

Which brings us back to the part where you're retardedly equaling sales with quality. Finally.

To pretend the two are unrelated is retarded.

Do you think The Who's worst selling album was the best? How about Pink Floyd's worst seller? Now, if you went to a random set of people and looked only at those who declared themselves as "fans" (nothing more, nothing less - no need for a fan club membership or spending hours of their day at a real cool website, they just said they are fans of Pink Floyd on a random survey they were given)... do you think that The Who or Pink Floyd's "fans" would rate their worst selling album as the best in terms of quality in aggregate? Do you think the worst sellers may end up at the bottom? I do - why - because I'm practical.

Sales are related to quality for ONE band's catalog. It doesn't work from band to band, or genre to genre... but, individually for one band from album to album it does.

Should that effect your thinking? No, but neither should the herd mentality of a website full of hipsters.

Sales can be inflated by circumstance, trends, a single ect. Sales have such a small bearing on the "quality" of an album.

[BurtReynolds]

Wait, all this time you guys have been merely stating opinions? I thought these were objective facts! No wonder I was so confused.

[Thejambi]

Wait, all this time you guys have been merely stating opinions? I thought these were objective facts! No wonder I was so confused.

No you are not

[McParadigm]

Cause God knows if there's one thing the hipsters love, it's Pearl Jam.

And songs that make them tear up about their kids.

can we get illumineddie to use the term dad-rockers instead maybe? i could deal with that for a good 20-30 posts anyway

I dunno. I like that he calls us hipsters. Living in Nebraska, I really only know what those are from pictures I see on the Internet… But they all seem so young to me. I like the idea of somebody arguing a concept like the cultural significance of a musical act by saying "look at you people, you all look so goddamn young and switched on. Why the fuck would you know about popular music today!"

Also, I like it showing up in a discussion for this of all songs....

[hlniv]

Just to re-state-

Sirens (video rip) >>>>>> Sirens (studio/official)

Must be Boom

[McParadigm]

Ha! I am rocking the shit out of message boarding on an iPhone today.

I just thought that stip and dime should know.

[Heathen]

To me, this data really hammers home which album is the worst in the collection.

Which brings us back to the part where you're retardedly equaling sales with quality. Finally.

To pretend the two are unrelated is retarded.

Do you think The Who's worst selling album was the best? How about Pink Floyd's worst seller? Now, if you went to a random set of people and looked only at those who declared themselves as "fans" (nothing more, nothing less - no need for a fan club membership or spending hours of their day at a real cool website, they just said they are fans of Pink Floyd on a random survey they were given)... do you think that The Who or Pink Floyd's "fans" would rate their worst selling album as the best in terms of quality in aggregate? Do you think the worst sellers may end up at the bottom? I do - why - because I'm practical.

Sales are related to quality for ONE band's catalog. It doesn't work from band to band, or genre to genre... but, individually for one band from album to album it does.

Should that effect your thinking? No, but neither should the herd mentality of a website full of hipsters.

Nope, I just checked and the verdict is still that you're one of the most retarded people on this board, and that's saying something.

[McParadigm]

God, you know I had forgotten about that Quantum Leap segment until cracked.com had it up today… Now I just want to post it all the time.

[gardenparty]

Does the term Dad-Rock mean Neutered Rock?

If so, then I don't think they have become dad rock. I don't find a lot of similarities between PJ and those types of bands.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Just to re-state-

Sirens (video rip) >>>>>> Sirens (studio/official)

Must be Boom

boom is the man

[Heathen]

God, you know I had forgotten about that Quantum Leap segment until cracked.com had it up today… Now I just want to post it all the time.

The way things are around here you might just as well make it your signature.

[malice]

Cause God knows if there's one thing the hipsters love, it's Pearl Jam.

And songs that make them tear up about their kids.

can we get illumineddie to use the term dad-rockers instead maybe? i could deal with that for a good 20-30 posts anyway

I dunno. I like that he calls us hipsters. Living in Nebraska, I really only know what those are from pictures I see on the Internet… But they all seem so young to me. I like the idea of somebody arguing a concept like the cultural significance of a musical act by saying "look at you people, you all look so goddamn young and switched on. Why the fuck would you know about popular music today!"

Also, I like it showing up in a discussion for this of all songs....

I'm pretty sure hipsters weren't even born yet when I was obsessed with Pearl Jam.
I don't even recognize Sirens as a Pearl Jam song, honestly... it's an Ed's happy about being a happy dad in his happy life with his happy model wife song.

[IlluminEddie]

To me, this data really hammers home which album is the worst in the collection.

Which brings us back to the part where you're retardedly equaling sales with quality. Finally.

To pretend the two are unrelated is retarded.

Do you think The Who's worst selling album was the best? How about Pink Floyd's worst seller? Now, if you went to a random set of people and looked only at those who declared themselves as "fans" (nothing more, nothing less - no need for a fan club membership or spending hours of their day at a real cool website, they just said they are fans of Pink Floyd on a random survey they were given)... do you think that The Who or Pink Floyd's "fans" would rate their worst selling album as the best in terms of quality in aggregate? Do you think the worst sellers may end up at the bottom? I do - why - because I'm practical.

Sales are related to quality for ONE band's catalog. It doesn't work from band to band, or genre to genre... but, individually for one band from album to album it does.

Should that effect your thinking? No, but neither should the herd mentality of a website full of hipsters.

According to sales, No Code is a little under two and a half times more awesome than Backspacer

I feel like that's low.

You clearly haven't been listening. First, this only would matter in terms of album rankings, nothing more. Second, it's impossible to completely grasp where Backspacer falls in the rankings because it hasn't been given enough time yet. Third, I agreed with you that the decline of the music industry sales in general also affects things here... but, that would actually negatively impact newer records (like Backspacer) more and older records (like Riot Act) less.

In general, I think it's pretty safe to assume Backspacer > Riot Act in rankings according to PJ fans. I understand this is upsetting to some, but get over it.

[Strat]

Really cracks me up when women bring up ed having a model wife as part of their distaste for PJ music these days...

Its....

Interesting....

[Dugg]

Ha! I am rocking the shit out of message boarding on an iPhone today.

I just thought that stip and dime should know.

Hipster! (Circa 2007)

[IlluminEddie]

To me, this data really hammers home which album is the worst in the collection.

Which brings us back to the part where you're retardedly equaling sales with quality. Finally.

To pretend the two are unrelated is retarded.

Do you think The Who's worst selling album was the best? How about Pink Floyd's worst seller? Now, if you went to a random set of people and looked only at those who declared themselves as "fans" (nothing more, nothing less - no need for a fan club membership or spending hours of their day at a real cool website, they just said they are fans of Pink Floyd on a random survey they were given)... do you think that The Who or Pink Floyd's "fans" would rate their worst selling album as the best in terms of quality in aggregate? Do you think the worst sellers may end up at the bottom? I do - why - because I'm practical.

Sales are related to quality for ONE band's catalog. It doesn't work from band to band, or genre to genre... but, individually for one band from album to album it does.

Should that effect your thinking? No, but neither should the herd mentality of a website full of hipsters.

Sales can be inflated by circumstance, trends, a single ect. Sales have such a small bearing on the "quality" of an album.

I agree. But, in general, I think it's the best metric available particularly when discussing fan's rankings of ONE bands albums. Name an alternative.

A survey would probably be ideal, but it would have to be done on the street or something. Are you a Pearl Jam fan, ok rank these albums....

[WaitingForBluey]

FFS, this conversation is still going on?

Go to the LB thread if you want to ruin something... damnit!

[VinylGuy]

To me, this data really hammers home which album is the worst in the collection.

Which brings us back to the part where you're retardedly equaling sales with quality. Finally.

To pretend the two are unrelated is retarded.

Do you think The Who's worst selling album was the best? How about Pink Floyd's worst seller? Now, if you went to a random set of people and looked only at those who declared themselves as "fans" (nothing more, nothing less - no need for a fan club membership or spending hours of their day at a real cool website, they just said they are fans of Pink Floyd on a random survey they were given)... do you think that The Who or Pink Floyd's "fans" would rate their worst selling album as the best in terms of quality in aggregate? Do you think the worst sellers may end up at the bottom? I do - why - because I'm practical.

Sales are related to quality for ONE band's catalog. It doesn't work from band to band, or genre to genre... but, individually for one band from album to album it does.

Should that effect your thinking? No, but neither should the herd mentality of a website full of hipsters.

Sales can be inflated by circumstance, trends, a single ect. Sales have such a small bearing on the "quality" of an album.

I agree. But, in general, I think it's the best metric available particularly when discussing fan's rankings of ONE bands albums. Name an alternative.

A survey would probably be ideal, but it would have to be done on the street or something. Are you a Pearl Jam fan, ok rank these albums....

Music is subjective...A survey doesnt mean anything.
Specially with PJ, were people hate an album and a few years later is a classic.