Song of the Moment: Sirens

[harmless]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

[stip]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

[stip]

This thread is in desperate need of a Sarge gif.

This was good

[harmless]

Harmless, are you starting to not like this song?

Random thought: Stone is STRONG on this song. Lots of rhythmic things butting up against each other and what not.

There are things I don't like about it. Up to the pre-chorus it's amazing. But its uniqueness is gradually rubbed off until you get to the ending, with the xylophone melody that I'm starting to realise doesn't fit this otherwise moody rock ballad. Robbie Williams shows up more and more.

But mostly I'm just getting upset with myself because I'm not enjoying trying to constantly analyse and reconcile the tension between my distaste for BO'B and my enjoyment of these songs. This album is going to be a very good album written by a bunch of happy guys without the time or inclination to make a great album.

My ultimate feeling about it will depend on how happy I am about that.

Damnit, harmmy! We're losing you! Where is the xylophone in here? Is it not in that live version?

It's not in the live version, no. It's in the melody of the last section, over the "fear goes away" lyric.

[Thejambi]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

I don't find it that awkward in the video. It is actually in line with the tempo methinks.

[harmless]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

It's too far back. The one about all the ejaculation?

[E.H. Ruddock]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

It's too far back.

Sucks keeping up with these threads, doesn't it?

[mastaflatch]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

thing is, the studio solo was clearly made to have a tempo-matched delay in order to repeat licks - Mike somewhat ignored this feature or realized he fucked it up while they recorded the video take and decided to make the best out of the situation and i think that it turns out well (as far as the delay effect goes but the ending just sounds botched and that's because of the notes he plays).
btw, Sirens' and MYM's solos both use the same trick.

[harmless]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

I don't find it that awkward in the video. It is actually in line with the tempo methinks.

Only heard it twice so you might be right.

[harmless]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

It's too far back.

Sucks keeping up with these threads, doesn't it?

Yup. I'd love to remove myself from every damn debate around this album but I can't.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

i had missed that earlier

[HardTI]

Harmless, are you starting to not like this song?

Random thought: Stone is STRONG on this song. Lots of rhythmic things butting up against each other and what not.

There are things I don't like about it. Up to the pre-chorus it's amazing. But its uniqueness is gradually rubbed off until you get to the ending, with the xylophone melody that I'm starting to realise doesn't fit this otherwise moody rock ballad. Robbie Williams shows up more and more.

But mostly I'm just getting upset with myself because I'm not enjoying trying to constantly analyse and reconcile the tension between my distaste for BO'B and my enjoyment of these songs. This album is going to be a very good album written by a bunch of happy guys without the time or inclination to make a great album.

My ultimate feeling about it will depend on how happy I am about that.

Damnit, harmmy! We're losing you! Where is the xylophone in here? Is it not in that live version?

It's not in the live version, no. It's in the melody of the last section, over the "fear goes away" lyric.

Ah I hear it. I kind of like it though =).
Seriously is anyone else really digging stones parts in this song? That's what has really caught my attention.

[Thejambi]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

I don't find it that awkward in the video. It is actually in line with the tempo methinks.

Only heard it twice so you might be right.

In the video he is matches with the high hat speed, studio on the snare/Bass beats.

[stip]

Welp, I'm off the sirens train now

Que?

See sarge's post

It's too far back. The one about all the ejaculation?

That would be it, yes


Provided I don't think about it I still like the song

[LetMeSleep]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

I don't find it that awkward in the video. It is actually in line with the tempo methinks.

Only heard it twice so you might be right.

In the video he is matches with the high hat speed, studio on the snare/Bass beats.

At 3:47 he is early and it is a faster BPM. The end of the solo isn't as bad.

[Thejambi]

Say what you will about Bo'B but he got the correct timing on Mike's delay for the solo. Man it's frustrating on the video.

As a guitarist, I'm quite fond of delay times that don't match the tempo of the song.

Perfectly tempo-matched delay can be cool in the right context but it's not really my thing.

But that is awful.

Tempo-matched delay just reminds me of the Edge or those godawful "praise & worship" guys that hang out on The Gear Page.

The live version really doesn't sound bad at all to me.

It's just the solo at 2 points. It's frustrating (as a drummer).

Yep... very annoying if someone's doing a delay-infested solo on top of your rhythm, and they're paying no mind to the rhythm. As far as I'm concerned, if the guitarist doesn't care about the rhythm behind him that's bad enough, but adding delay makes it worse.

I don't find it that awkward in the video. It is actually in line with the tempo methinks.

Only heard it twice so you might be right.

In the video he is matches with the high hat speed, studio on the snare/Bass beats.

At 3:47 he is early and it is a faster BPM. The end of the solo isn't as bad.

Yeah i hear him slightly off but dont think its faster.

[LetMeSleep]

Yeah i hear him slightly off but dont think its faster.

Okay you don't hear it be out too much but I do. Enough that it shits me everytime. It obviously wasn't a problem for TeamPJ, nor was Matt's sloppy fill during the intro nor Boom's lazy run in verse 2.

[mastaflatch]

Yeah i hear him slightly off but dont think its faster.

Okay you don't hear it be out too much but I do. Enough that it shits me everytime. It obviously wasn't a problem for TeamPJ, nor was Matt's sloppy fill during the intro nor Boom's lazy run in verse 2.

you mean the sequence when we see Booms hairy arm playing awkward octaves?

[LetMeSleep]

Yeah i hear him slightly off but dont think its faster.

Okay you don't hear it be out too much but I do. Enough that it shits me everytime. It obviously wasn't a problem for TeamPJ, nor was Matt's sloppy fill during the intro nor Boom's lazy run in verse 2.

you mean the sequence when we see Booms hairy arm playing awkward octaves?

Yeah. it's slightly sloppy but maybe adds character. it's highlighted by the vision.

[SJM]

Yeah i hear him slightly off but dont think its faster.

Okay you don't hear it be out too much but I do. Enough that it shits me everytime. It obviously wasn't a problem for TeamPJ, nor was Matt's sloppy fill during the intro nor Boom's lazy run in verse 2.

From a long time guitar player (if that even makes a difference), I love his solo on the video version. I actually get goosebumps when he switches guitars and tears into the first few notes.

Mike gets a lot of shit for wanking and I've heard people say they prefer Stone's solo's for the "feel". And now we're talking about if one of his solos is "slightly" off? I just can't understand it. Mike is an awesome lead guitarist; 99.9 percent of bands out there would kill to have a guy of his caliber in their group.

To me, the solo sounds awesome and is one of my favorite parts of the song. Instead of actively looking for things that is wrong with it why not just enjoy all the things that are right?