B wrote:Are Democrats pushing for a vaccine passport?
I've heard lots of Republicans ranting that they will never support a vaccine passport, but I haven't heard any Democrats endorse them.
IIRC, NYC was starting on them but Cali wasn't going to require it. Given the push for voter IDs it seems like the something the red team would want... unless their point is secretly just to block people from voting.
"The fatal flaw of all revolutionaries is that they know how to tear things down but don't have a f**king clue about how to build anything."
4/5 wrote:I know Broward isn't representative of most of Florida, but I'd say it's very close to 100% of people I see indoors wearing a mask. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw somebody without a mask indoors. I remember that the first week gyms reopened back in like May or June that a guy was working out without one and the employee told him to put it on, but since then I haven't seen anybody even at the gym try to not wear one.
How is that possible though without a specific government mandate?
4/5 wrote:I know Broward isn't representative of most of Florida, but I'd say it's very close to 100% of people I see indoors wearing a mask. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw somebody without a mask indoors. I remember that the first week gyms reopened back in like May or June that a guy was working out without one and the employee told him to put it on, but since then I haven't seen anybody even at the gym try to not wear one.
How is that possible though without a specific government mandate?
Amazing how that works, huh.
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4/5 wrote:I know Broward isn't representative of most of Florida, but I'd say it's very close to 100% of people I see indoors wearing a mask. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw somebody without a mask indoors. I remember that the first week gyms reopened back in like May or June that a guy was working out without one and the employee told him to put it on, but since then I haven't seen anybody even at the gym try to not wear one.
How is that possible though without a specific government mandate?
Amazing how that works, huh.
Isn't it implied in 4/5's original post that it's (possibly?) not working in most of Florida?
4/5 wrote:I know Broward isn't representative of most of Florida, but I'd say it's very close to 100% of people I see indoors wearing a mask. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw somebody without a mask indoors. I remember that the first week gyms reopened back in like May or June that a guy was working out without one and the employee told him to put it on, but since then I haven't seen anybody even at the gym try to not wear one.
How is that possible though without a specific government mandate?
Amazing how that works, huh.
Isn't it implied in 4/5's original post that it's (possibly?) not working in most of Florida?
Well, not to get into the what does "working" mean regarding covid transmission & masks discussion, but yes it's implied that in other parts of the states masks aren't worn as much as they are here. I texted my brother in law who lives on the west coast and he said masks are still required by basically every business and a lot of people wear them but enforcement is pretty lax so he doesn't see pushback against people who aren't wearing them.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
4/5 wrote:6 people out of 4 million doses administered. Surely, I must be missing something.
Vaccines are watched SUPER carefully. The bar is low for pausing and investigating. They pulled the rotavirus vaccine in the 90s after 11 cases of intussusception among many millions of doses administered.
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
4/5 wrote:6 people out of 4 million doses administered. Surely, I must be missing something.
Vaccines are watched SUPER carefully. The bar is low for pausing and investigating. They pulled the rotavirus vaccine in the 90s after 11 cases of intussusception among many millions of doses administered.
It's strange given the number of people dying daily from COVID-19 that they would pull it. If those stats hold, you're about 7x more likely to get hit by lightening during your life, and with summer break almost here we need more people vaccinated now.
Plus: since we will all need boosters this winter, the more one-shot solutions out there the better.
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4/5 wrote:6 people out of 4 million doses administered. Surely, I must be missing something.
Vaccines are watched SUPER carefully. The bar is low for pausing and investigating. They pulled the rotavirus vaccine in the 90s after 11 cases of intussusception among many millions of doses administered.
It's strange given the number of people dying daily from COVID-19 that they would pull it. If those stats hold, you're about 7x more likely to get hit by lightening during your life, and with summer break almost here we need more people vaccinated now.
Plus: since we will all need boosters this winter, the more one-shot solutions out there the better.
It's a pause. They take a couple days to reassure the public. Otherwise, people call foul and even more refuse to get vaccinated.
Showing this vigilance is important for touting the safety of this and all other vaccines.
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verb_to_trust wrote:A lot of people are going to be done with J and J now. I don't think some government stiff coming out in a few days saying all good will change that.
Can't save the unsavable.
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
verb_to_trust wrote:A lot of people are going to be done with J and J now. I don't think some government stiff coming out in a few days saying all good will change that.
Can't save the unsavable.
If I'm a 25 year old otherwise healthy woman and I read that this thing can cause me to have a rare clotting reaction what's the upside of me taking it? The public health mafia refuses to admit you can live your life normally and not spread the virus after vaccinating. Plus, you're probably going to shake off covid pretty easily where a blood clot in your brain not so much.
verb_to_trust wrote:A lot of people are going to be done with J and J now. I don't think some government stiff coming out in a few days saying all good will change that.
Can't save the unsavable.
If I'm a 25 year old otherwise healthy woman and I read that this thing can cause me to have a rare clotting reaction what's the upside of me taking it? The public health mafia refuses to admit you can live your life normally and not spread the virus after vaccinating. Plus, you're probably going to shake off covid pretty easily where a blood clot in your brain not so much.
COVID-19 kills 1.5 out of 100 people who get it. The vaccine MIGHT kill 1 in 6.8 million.
I don't know what the research will bear out, but you're talking about people that have already made the decision, no data in hand, and whether the research that happens this week will change their mind. It will not.
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
verb_to_trust wrote:A lot of people are going to be done with J and J now. I don't think some government stiff coming out in a few days saying all good will change that.
Can't save the unsavable.
If I'm a 25 year old otherwise healthy woman and I read that this thing can cause me to have a rare clotting reaction what's the upside of me taking it? The public health mafia refuses to admit you can live your life normally and not spread the virus after vaccinating. Plus, you're probably going to shake off covid pretty easily where a blood clot in your brain not so much.
COVID-19 kills 1.5 out of 100 people who get it. The vaccine MIGHT kill 1 in 6.8 million.
I don't know what the research will bear out, but you're talking about people that have already made the decision, no data in hand, and whether the research that happens this week will change their mind. It will not.
Adjust your numbers for age and co morbidities. Maybe mathematically you should still get the vaccine but why bother at that point? Why take any risk at all to eliminate risk that is already astronomically low?
