Anybody want a Corona?

[B]

What's the problem with face shields?

[verb_to_trust]

What's the problem with face shields?

They don't do anything

[B]

Now an adult, please.

[The Town]

Faceshields don't protect against aerosols. ergo faceshields and plexiglass aren't substitutes for wearing a tight fitting face mask to prevent covid infection.

[Rob]

Seatbelts don’t actually prevent death, there is a very real possibility you could wear one and it won’t matter. So, there’s that.

[verb_to_trust]

Good one Rob

[The Town]

If you aren't familiar with Zeynep Tufekci, you should really check out her twitter feed and blog.
In the past day she's pretty much hit on all of RM's questions about masks.


Seriously just read this twitter thread or one of the articles she's released in the past day:

The Atlantic: The CDC Is Still Repeating Its Mistakes

To add to the confusion, in earlier guidelines, the CDC already said that vaccinated people could meet indoors without masks even if one of the households had unvaccinated members.
It’s confusing to say that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks with unvaccinated people in one guideline, but that they should wear masks outdoors in a crowd in another guideline, without further explanation of why.
If the idea is that, in crowds, we should keep masks for everyone because of sociological reasons, to avoid the awkwardness of selective mask enforcement, the CDC should just say so.

What about rules for vaccinated people indoors, then?
One could argue that the science is already fairly strong that the vaccinated are likely fine even indoors, especially if community transmission isn’t very high, and that the CDC guidelines implicitly assume this.
That said, one can concede that this part of the empirical record is still evolving.
However, that’s not currently relevant for public rules and behavior, because just like we can’t tell only the sick to wear masks, we cannot tell only the vaccinated to chuck their masks indoors—a grocery-store clerk shouldn’t have to police this.
For now, indoor spaces have to keep masks as a rule simply for sociological reasons.
We should make that explicit too.

and

Her blog post that kind of brings it all together in one place:
https://www.theinsight.org/p/on-masks-and-outdoors


edit:
specifically for Verb

[oasisfan35]

but masks are annoying

Am I allowed to admit that I'm dreading the thought of being fully vaccinated but having to wear a mask while I try to teach next school year?

Yes, it's fine to feel however you'd like. Just don't be a massive prick about it.

If you stick to the front of the classroom, assuming there is a fair distance, would you consider dropping the mask and using a face-shield? I do this when I started running tours again at the brewery.

edit: dropping the mask as in pulling it down to your chin available to put back on in close proximity to others.

Our school district has a no face mask or gaitor policy currently. I would prefer either of those to a mask. I mean, really, I'd hope that I can just be a person, but if not hopefully they adjust that policy. *shrug*

I could definitely see the frustration in a policy removing those options though I would assume they are erring on the extreme side of caution.

[oasisfan35]

What's the problem with face shields?

They don't do anything

Well that's moronic.

[verb_to_trust]

What's the problem with face shields?

They don't do anything

Well that's moronic.

Ok man

[blueviper]

Masks, social distancing, and the various lockdowns reduced flu to record lows. We can probably assume it had an affect on COVID. So if we’re at 575,000 deaths, I think we would be much higher if we didn’t have the safety measures in place

[Stickman]

India’s COVID crisis: ‘I begged for help. My father still died’

[Bammer]

If you aren't familiar with Zeynep Tufekci, you should really check out her twitter feed and blog.
In the past day she's pretty much hit on all of RM's questions about masks.


Seriously just read this twitter thread or one of the articles she's released in the past day:

The Atlantic: The CDC Is Still Repeating Its Mistakes

To add to the confusion, in earlier guidelines, the CDC already said that vaccinated people could meet indoors without masks even if one of the households had unvaccinated members.
It’s confusing to say that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks with unvaccinated people in one guideline, but that they should wear masks outdoors in a crowd in another guideline, without further explanation of why.
If the idea is that, in crowds, we should keep masks for everyone because of sociological reasons, to avoid the awkwardness of selective mask enforcement, the CDC should just say so.

What about rules for vaccinated people indoors, then?
One could argue that the science is already fairly strong that the vaccinated are likely fine even indoors, especially if community transmission isn’t very high, and that the CDC guidelines implicitly assume this.
That said, one can concede that this part of the empirical record is still evolving.
However, that’s not currently relevant for public rules and behavior, because just like we can’t tell only the sick to wear masks, we cannot tell only the vaccinated to chuck their masks indoors—a grocery-store clerk shouldn’t have to police this.
For now, indoor spaces have to keep masks as a rule simply for sociological reasons.
We should make that explicit too.

and

Her blog post that kind of brings it all together in one place:
https://www.theinsight.org/p/on-masks-and-outdoors


edit:
specifically for Verb

So... she’s an ophthalmologist?

[verb_to_trust]

If you aren't familiar with Zeynep Tufekci, you should really check out her twitter feed and blog.
In the past day she's pretty much hit on all of RM's questions about masks.


Seriously just read this twitter thread or one of the articles she's released in the past day:

The Atlantic: The CDC Is Still Repeating Its Mistakes

To add to the confusion, in earlier guidelines, the CDC already said that vaccinated people could meet indoors without masks even if one of the households had unvaccinated members.
It’s confusing to say that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks with unvaccinated people in one guideline, but that they should wear masks outdoors in a crowd in another guideline, without further explanation of why.
If the idea is that, in crowds, we should keep masks for everyone because of sociological reasons, to avoid the awkwardness of selective mask enforcement, the CDC should just say so.

What about rules for vaccinated people indoors, then?
One could argue that the science is already fairly strong that the vaccinated are likely fine even indoors, especially if community transmission isn’t very high, and that the CDC guidelines implicitly assume this.
That said, one can concede that this part of the empirical record is still evolving.
However, that’s not currently relevant for public rules and behavior, because just like we can’t tell only the sick to wear masks, we cannot tell only the vaccinated to chuck their masks indoors—a grocery-store clerk shouldn’t have to police this.
For now, indoor spaces have to keep masks as a rule simply for sociological reasons.
We should make that explicit too.

and

Her blog post that kind of brings it all together in one place:
https://www.theinsight.org/p/on-masks-and-outdoors


edit:
specifically for Verb

So... she’s an ophthalmologist?

Dude please stfu and just simp for that blue check mark

[JuanHamm]

Poor The Town still thinks there's any point to arguing with Verb. There isn't. He has absolutely nothing of value to say about anything . It doesn't matter how many facts you present him with he's just going to dismiss them with an unfunny ad hominem attack.

The board would be a lot better off if everyone just foed him and forgot he existed. If you feel the need for an intelligent debate with someone with a more conservative point of view try Bi3 or Simple schoolboy. You won't get a debate or intelligence from verb.

[Bammer]

If you aren't familiar with Zeynep Tufekci, you should really check out her twitter feed and blog.
In the past day she's pretty much hit on all of RM's questions about masks.


Seriously just read this twitter thread or one of the articles she's released in the past day:

The Atlantic: The CDC Is Still Repeating Its Mistakes

To add to the confusion, in earlier guidelines, the CDC already said that vaccinated people could meet indoors without masks even if one of the households had unvaccinated members.
It’s confusing to say that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks with unvaccinated people in one guideline, but that they should wear masks outdoors in a crowd in another guideline, without further explanation of why.
If the idea is that, in crowds, we should keep masks for everyone because of sociological reasons, to avoid the awkwardness of selective mask enforcement, the CDC should just say so.

What about rules for vaccinated people indoors, then?
One could argue that the science is already fairly strong that the vaccinated are likely fine even indoors, especially if community transmission isn’t very high, and that the CDC guidelines implicitly assume this.
That said, one can concede that this part of the empirical record is still evolving.
However, that’s not currently relevant for public rules and behavior, because just like we can’t tell only the sick to wear masks, we cannot tell only the vaccinated to chuck their masks indoors—a grocery-store clerk shouldn’t have to police this.
For now, indoor spaces have to keep masks as a rule simply for sociological reasons.
We should make that explicit too.

and

Her blog post that kind of brings it all together in one place:
https://www.theinsight.org/p/on-masks-and-outdoors


edit:
specifically for Verb

So... she’s an ophthalmologist?

Dude please stfu and just simp for that blue check mark

Wait... me or Town?

[verb_to_trust]

Poor The Town still thinks there's any point to arguing with Verb. There isn't. He has absolutely nothing of value to say about anything . It doesn't matter how many facts you present him with he's just going to dismiss them with an unfunny ad hominem attack.

The board would be a lot better off if everyone just foed him and forgot he existed. If you feel the need for an intelligent debate with someone with a more conservative point of view try Bi3 or Simple schoolboy. You won't get a debate or intelligence from verb.

I'm sorry I don't take the board more seriously. I'll try and do better.

[B]

I'm sorry I don't take the board more seriously. I'll try and do better.

[Bi_3]

I believe we've had some commentary on this before, but the tactics used against COVID-19 were highly effective in saving lives from Influenza as well, which should be enough evidence for us to adopt East-Asian style usage of masks in the winter:


https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -pandemic/

[Bammer]

...which should be enough evidence for us to adopt East-Asian style usage of masks in the winter:

FUCK that. I’m moving to Montana (but not into an HOA community).