Adventures in Babysitting: The Catch-All Anti-SJW Thread

[B]

There is no myth. A survey asked a question (edit: that few have ever thought of before) and some random people guessed an answer. It means nothing.

Mmmmmmm ... OK.

[B]

NPR: MYTH #4: Asian Americans are fairly represented (in US government)

This "myth" doesn't even exist. It's just a straw man. This isn't even good propaganda. It's like they're trying to make their argument seem dumb.

So, AAPIs aren't fairly represented in government, and no one thinks they are, so NPR is the bad guy b/c they said that some people think they are and then dispelled that?

What?

You and me both, brother. What does this have to do with median household income?

THAT part I understand. Economic attainment measures, like median household income, are a proxy for success in the marketplace. If the Asian cohort, whatever that is, has high achievement in that area then it means they are successfully competing in the market. If your foundational principle is that the market is rigged so only white people succeed, then Asian success presents quite the conundrum because it allows white people to point to Asians and say "see, you are obviously wrong. they are doing great, often better than we are. The system is not rigged. Follow the Asian 'model' and we don't need to tear down the system". So rather dealing with that reality, what we are seeing here is someone attempting to problematize Asian American success.

Problematic how? Can I no longer claim that people are attacking AAPI because of COVID? Or can I no longer claim that there are systemic biases against Blacks and Latinx?

[BurtReynolds]

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[B]

I hope you were never claiming the first one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... t-n1261257

[BurtReynolds]

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[simple schoolboy]

I hope you were never claiming the first one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... t-n1261257

Don't see anything about covid in there, but I just skimmed it. And the stats are highly suspect for a number of reasons.

I don't know if its the same dataset, but the Virulent Hate survey classified Trump tweets as 25% of their bias incidents.

[Bi_3]

NPR: MYTH #4: Asian Americans are fairly represented (in US government)

This "myth" doesn't even exist. It's just a straw man. This isn't even good propaganda. It's like they're trying to make their argument seem dumb.

So, AAPIs aren't fairly represented in government, and no one thinks they are, so NPR is the bad guy b/c they said that some people think they are and then dispelled that?

What?

You and me both, brother. What does this have to do with median household income?

THAT part I understand. Economic attainment measures, like median household income, are a proxy for success in the marketplace. If the Asian cohort, whatever that is, has high achievement in that area then it means they are successfully competing in the market. If your foundational principle is that the market is rigged so only white people succeed, then Asian success presents quite the conundrum because it allows white people to point to Asians and say "see, you are obviously wrong. they are doing great, often better than we are. The system is not rigged. Follow the Asian 'model' and we don't need to tear down the system". So rather dealing with that reality, what we are seeing here is someone attempting to problematize Asian American success.

Problematic how? Can I no longer claim that people are attacking AAPI because of COVID? Or can I no longer claim that there are systemic biases against Blacks and Latinx?

No, not that exactly (and I would be careful there given the demographics of who is committing the majority of assaults against Asian Americans). The opening section of the NPR article is the giveaway:

Since the end of World War II, this myth about Asian Americans and their perceived collective success has been used as a racial wedge — to minimize the role racism plays in the struggles of other minority groups, such as Black Americans.

IOW, Asian success makes white people question if it's really the system that is causing black failure, so we must reject evidence of Asian success or we are not supporting black people in their struggles against racism. Oppressor/oppressed is the only allowable worldview and therefore Asians Americans must be oppressed and their success must be an illusion. The article then fails as hard as possible at making a case for that rejection by not actually addressing any of the evidence.

[B]

I mean, all that seems to assume that racism is hatred of all non-self races, but people can be and act racist in billions of different ways. Ways they know. Ways they don't know. Ways that make sense. Ways that don't. System. Casual. Micro. Macro. Ranked in a hierarchy. With power. Without power. Based on stereotypes. In ways I can't think of right now. And in combinations of all of those things.

Asian success doesn't erase systemic factors in Black oppression, neither does Black attacks on AAPI. All of these things can be true and intertwined.

[Bammer]

Burt this is pretty wild even for you

[surfndestroy]

I mean, all that seems to assume that racism is hatred of all non-self races, but people can be and act racist in billions of different ways. Ways they know. Ways they don't know. Ways that make sense. Ways that don't. System. Casual. Micro. Macro. Ranked in a hierarchy. With power. Without power. Based on stereotypes. In ways I can't think of right now. And in combinations of all of those things.

Asian success doesn't erase systemic factors in Black oppression, neither does Black attacks on AAPI. All of these things can be true and intertwined.

It doesn’t rule out any of that. But it should make you wonder if there is a cultural component to lack of success.

In Canada, we know we fucked over successive generations of Indigenous people. Seriously fucked them over and went out of our way to destroy and spit on their cultures. Knowing this, we know and accept that there are cultural components that we need to address and will take generations to repair. Lacking that knowledge, the chances of Indigenous people in Canada having success stories to match any other group of people would be impossible. It will be a long road but I hope we get there.

[BurtReynolds]

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[verb_to_trust]

SYSTEMIC FACTORS

[Bi_3]

This was always the goal:


http://bostonreview.net/science-nature- ... a-medicine

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Sensitive to these injustices, we have taken redress in our particular initiative to mean providing precisely what was denied for at least a decade: a preferential admission option for Black and Latinx heart failure patients to our specialty cardiology service. The Healing ARC will include a flag in our electronic medical record and admissions system suggesting that providers admit Black and Latinx heart failure patients to cardiology, rather than rely on provider discretion or patient self-advocacy to determine whether they should go to cardiology or general medicine. We will be analyzing the approach closely for the first year to see how well it works in generating equitable admissions. If it does, there will be good reason to continue the practice as a proven implementation measure to achieve equity.

Offering preferential care based on race or ethnicity may elicit legal challenges from our system of colorblind law. But given the ample current evidence that our health, judicial, and other systems already unfairly preference people who are white, we believe—following the ethical framework of Zack and others—that our approach is corrective and therefore mandated.

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It should be more obvious now why it's so important to bust the 'Model Minority' concept, because none of this works if the Asian American population doesn't accept second-tier status. An Asian/White voting block will prevent the implementation of a federally mandated 'equitable' access policy by continuing a federally mandated 'equal' access policy. And equal access is super-fucking-racist.

[Bi_3]

Jesus fucking Christ we are fucked. Time to move to Singapore


Fact check: The word picnic does not originate from racist lynchings

[spike]

the stupid internet is everywhere bro

[Green Habit]

I'm waiting for see if there will be an attempt to cancel the word hysteria and all of its forms, given how its etymology arises from specifically targeting women.

[Bi_3]

I'm waiting for see if there will be an attempt to cancel the word hysteria and all of its forms, given how its etymology arises from specifically targeting women.

take it to the radiohead thread

[spike]

I assume Burt will be first in line for some bystander training.

[Bi_3]

I assume Burt will be first in line for some bystander training.

Major corporations training customers to intervene in conflict on company property?







But then again, you knew gangs was always the answer to solving the defund dilemma.

[Ello Sailor]

I'm waiting for see if there will be an attempt to cancel the word hysteria and all of its forms, given how its etymology arises from specifically targeting women.

take it to the radiohead thread