Anybody want a Corona?

[verb_to_trust]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

[macphisto]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

Maybe they could find a home in Scientology? It's got science right in the name!

[spike]

The same will be happening here soon thanks to many provinces having inept leaders who are always behind the ball.

A COVID Surge Is Overwhelming U.S. Hospitals, Raising Fears Of Rationed Care

Would you prefer they went full Australia on you? Just govern the fuck out of you? Is that the path to safety?

You make it sound like we're living in hell down here in the southern hemisphere - it's really not all that bad, plus I'd rather have this - go outside in a week or two and have life back to normal without worrying if I'm about to pass something potentiall fatal or life changing onto someone

New Zealand is not part of Australia; every Kiwi I’ve ever met has been clear on that. I don’t believe anything your gov is doing even approaches the Orwellian shit being trialed in South Australia.

Yeah man, it's a living hell down here.

It's been wild seeing a (pretty positive!) local news story totally misreported and take on a life of its own.

Is the video below real or from a late night bit? If real, it's all any outsider really needs to understand the overreaching lunacy of the Australian covid response.

I’m relieved to confirm that Daniel Andrews doesn’t run the country.

I think I'm relieved to hear that. May your chains set lightly upon you.

What about mask removal for milk, tea, water etc.? Still ok, right? Right.

Irrelevant. Australians only consume beer.

[spike]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

Maybe they could find a home in Scientology? It's got science right in the name!

These maga overreactions regarding fReEdOm make any libtard behavior look reasonable in comparison.

[macphisto]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

Maybe they could find a home in Scientology? It's got science right in the name!

These maga overreactions regarding fReEdOm make any libtard behavior look reasonable in comparison.

Do you have a tweet to back that up?

[bada]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who continue to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

If someone did a I Dream of Jeanie and wished all those things out of existence instantly it wouldn't make a dent in the issue. It's all how we produce our building materials and there is no other technology to do it differently. It's rarely talked about. We fucked.

[Bammer]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

Maybe they could find a home in Scientology? It's got science right in the name!

These maga overreactions regarding fReEdOm make any libtard behavior look reasonable in comparison.

Bro I didn’t say anything about guns.

Harris/Biden 2020

[dad]

good stuff happening over here.

Getting work done.

[verb_to_trust]

The same will be happening here soon thanks to many provinces having inept leaders who are always behind the ball.

A COVID Surge Is Overwhelming U.S. Hospitals, Raising Fears Of Rationed Care

Would you prefer they went full Australia on you? Just govern the fuck out of you? Is that the path to safety?

You make it sound like we're living in hell down here in the southern hemisphere - it's really not all that bad, plus I'd rather have this - go outside in a week or two and have life back to normal without worrying if I'm about to pass something potentiall fatal or life changing onto someone

New Zealand is not part of Australia; every Kiwi I’ve ever met has been clear on that. I don’t believe anything your gov is doing even approaches the Orwellian shit being trialed in South Australia.

Yeah man, it's a living hell down here.

It's been wild seeing a (pretty positive!) local news story totally misreported and take on a life of its own.

Is the video below real or from a late night bit? If real, it's all any outsider really needs to understand the overreaching lunacy of the Australian covid response.

I’m relieved to confirm that Daniel Andrews doesn’t run the country.

I think I'm relieved to hear that. May your chains set lightly upon you.

What about mask removal for milk, tea, water etc.? Still ok, right? Right.

Irrelevant. Australians only consume beer.

And soy

[verb_to_trust]

Verb is right about the inevitable climate thread.

Those of us who contine to drive gas powered cars, flush our toilets, and buy food with any kind of packaging on it are totally fucked.

Maybe Christianity will make a comeback? That was way preferable to this new science religion identity thing all the bearded WFH types and purple haired demisexuals are now baptized in.

Maybe they could find a home in Scientology? It's got science right in the name!

These maga overreactions regarding fReEdOm make any libtard behavior look reasonable in comparison.

We should make it an RM drinking game: every time some commie mocks freedom drink soy milk

[E.H. Ruddock]

please don't ban verb. this thread has become his life's work.

it's the only thing he has.

You're a lot like ruddo in that it almost makes you angry that someone isn't buying in.

Yes, I'm the angry one in regards to covid and masking. That's hilarious.

You guys still haven't told me what freedoms people in places like Australia don't have that we do that make them so "communist" you'd never want to live there.

[Strat]

“One in 5,000
The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people.

The news seemed to suggest that even the vaccinated were highly vulnerable to getting infected and passing the virus to others. Sure enough, stories about vaccinated people getting Covid — so-called breakthrough infections — were all around this summer: at a party in Provincetown, Mass.; among the Chicago Cubs; on Capitol Hill. Delta seemed as if it might be changing everything.

In recent weeks, however, more data has become available, and it suggests that the true picture is less alarming. Yes, Delta has increased the chances of getting Covid for almost everyone. But if you’re vaccinated, a Covid infection is still uncommon, and those high viral loads are not as worrisome as they initially sounded.

How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.
Or maybe one in 10,000

The estimates here are based on statistics from three places that have reported detailed data on Covid infections by vaccination status: Utah; Virginia; and King County, which includes Seattle, in Washington state. All three are consistent with the idea that about one in 5,000 vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid each day in recent weeks.

The chances are surely higher in the places with the worst Covid outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data shows, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)
Here’s one way to think about a one-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1 percent.
“There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what the risks really are to vaccinated people, and how vaccinated people should be thinking about their lives,” as Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University told my colleague Tara Parker-Pope. (I recommend Tara’s recent Q. and A. on breakthrough infections.)

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:
Source: Washington State Department of Health

Another way to understand the situation is to compare each state’s vaccination rate with its recent daily Covid infection rate. The infection rates in the least vaccinated states are about four times as high as in the most vaccinated states:

Data as of Sept. 2; cases are the 7-day daily average.The New York Times
If the entire country had received shots at the same rate as the Northeast or California, the current Delta wave would be a small fraction of its current size. Delta is a problem. Vaccine hesitancy is a bigger problem.
The science, in brief

These numbers help show why the talking point about viral loads was problematic. It was one of those statements that managed to be both true and misleading. Even when the size of the viral loads are similar, the virus behaves differently in the noses and throats of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

I will confess to one bit of hesitation about walking you through the data on breakthrough infections: It’s not clear how much we should be worrying about them. For the vaccinated, Covid resembles the flu and usually a mild one. Society does not ground to a halt over the flu.
In Britain, many people have become comfortable with the current Covid risks. The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine. Letting the virus continue to dominate life, on the other hand, has large costs.

“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh, told The Times.

Theater employees checking vaccination cards as people returned to Broadway last week.Jutharat Pinyodoonyachet for The New York Times
I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.
In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.
The bottom line

Delta really has changed the course of the pandemic. It is far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus and calls for precautions that were not necessary a couple of months ago, like wearing masks in some indoor situations
.
But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted.”

[verb_to_trust]

please don't ban verb. this thread has become his life's work.

it's the only thing he has.

You're a lot like ruddo in that it almost makes you angry that someone isn't buying in.

Yes, I'm the angry one in regards to covid and masking. That's hilarious.

You guys still haven't told me what freedoms people in places like Australia don't have that we do that make them so "communist" you'd never want to live there.

I'd like to be able to see my family again before I die if say my kids lived abroad. I also wouldn't want to be stuck in a quarantine hotel. Get a grip man.

[dad]

one day we're all going to thank verb. he's out here fighting for our lives, on this here message board.

y'all might not see it now, but he's putting in work.

he will obliterate this evil once and for all.

just believe and obey.

[verb_to_trust]

one day we're all going to thank verb. he's out here fighting for our lives, on this here message board.

y'all might not see it now, but he's putting in work.

he will obliterate this evil once and for all.

just believe and obey.

Your name is literally dad. You wouldn't have an issue with some government stooge determining when or if you can ever see your son who happens to live in America again?

Spike and his wife probably hate it here and would love to flee to Australia. Not allowed. Sorry plague rat.

[Bi_3]

Mu in 49 of 50 states now. More virulent the Delta, can escape vaccines.

How many times is this going to have to happen before people start to understand? The magic potions lost to a force of nature. Book your brunch reservations.

Infinity. Infinity times. It's about identity now, not science.

It will inevitably be blamed on people not getting the vaccine that triggered the virus to become resistant to a vaccine it.. had... not been exposed to? I don't know how vaccine resistance works, but if it's anything like antibiotic resistance than it's selection pressure that drives certain mutations to thrive.

[spike]

one day we're all going to thank verb. he's out here fighting for our lives, on this here message board.

y'all might not see it now, but he's putting in work.

he will obliterate this evil once and for all.

just believe and obey.

Your name is literally dad. You wouldn't have an issue with some government stooge determining when or if you can ever see your son who happens to live in America again?

Spike and his wife probably hate it here and would love to flee to Australia. Not allowed. Sorry plague rat.

living rent free

[spike]

Mu in 49 of 50 states now. More virulent the Delta, can escape vaccines.

How many times is this going to have to happen before people start to understand? The magic potions lost to a force of nature. Book your brunch reservations.

Infinity. Infinity times. It's about identity now, not science.

It will inevitably be blamed on people not getting the vaccine that triggered the virus to become resistant to a vaccine it.. had... not been exposed to? I don't know how vaccine resistance works, but if it's anything like antibiotic resistance than it's selection pressure that drives certain mutations to thrive.

these mutations are coming from lands with lower vaccine rates. vaccine availability - and hesitancy in nations with plentiful vaccine - are absolutely to blame.

[verb_to_trust]

Mu in 49 of 50 states now. More virulent the Delta, can escape vaccines.

How many times is this going to have to happen before people start to understand? The magic potions lost to a force of nature. Book your brunch reservations.

Infinity. Infinity times. It's about identity now, not science.

It will inevitably be blamed on people not getting the vaccine that triggered the virus to become resistant to a vaccine it.. had... not been exposed to? I don't know how vaccine resistance works, but if it's anything like antibiotic resistance than it's selection pressure that drives certain mutations to thrive.

these mutations are coming from lands with lower vaccine rates. vaccine availability - and hesitancy in nations with plentiful vaccine - are absolutely to blame.

Everyone isn't taking the vaccine here and it will always be able to mutate in shithole countries. Game over.

[dad]

one day we're all going to thank verb. he's out here fighting for our lives, on this here message board.

y'all might not see it now, but he's putting in work.

he will obliterate this evil once and for all.

just believe and obey.

Your name is literally dad. You wouldn't have an issue with some government stooge determining when or if you can ever see your son who happens to live in America again?

Spike and his wife probably hate it here and would love to flee to Australia. Not allowed. Sorry plague rat.

of course i'd want to see my kid/s. no question. i also understand the necessity to stop the spread of this, and if that meant zoom calls with my family until things die down so be it.

i get it. you're scared, like most people. maybe you've got someone in your life who's part of the population that's vulnerable to infectious diseases, and you're concerned for their well-being.

and maybe you think coming here to spout off your thoughts on conforming to science, and people who've spent a large portion of their lives studying this is bullshit, and conforming is submission, and blah blah blah.

i hope someone out there hears you. you're the voice of a generation.

you're a big boy.