Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[VinylGuy]

those 98 shows are also super good...yeah, jimmy is missed but Kenny Aronof did a a great job and the band really did re worked those songs pretty much every night...

To Sheila could become a super rocking songs, Shame a bluesy type of one, Ava Adore could have a more rock approach too...they were jamming all nights basically.

[Ello Sailor]

I think the band did a surprisingly excellent job without Jimmy. And Zeitgeist proved he's not all that's required to make a decent album. The songs need to be good, too!

I think Zeit might still be the most disappointing album of all time for me. I so badly wanted them to be "back".

[VinylGuy]

Yeah, those 1998 shows were so fucking different and great.

I love Zeitgeist..yes, i dont like the production and the mix. But i loved that album and the live shows...the 2007 tour is one of my favorites. Then Billy fucked up with that 2008 tour playing those Floyd songs...and ranting about the hits and whataver.

I wish Ginger would still be in the band.

[Ello Sailor]

Ginger is a dime piece, but she isn't a great bass player. She was little more than an ornament.

[VinylGuy]

nah, i love her style, her bass tones and of course, her presence.

You have to have some skills to play songs like Superchrist or Gossamer.

[Ello Sailor]

HornyGuy is hearing things that simply aren't there.

MadM, Paz, Nicole and even D'arcy completely body her as a bass player.

Okay I'm done being a downer.

[Ello Sailor]

Remember when Billy tried to claim that having all female bassists was purely coincidental? What a tool.

[VinylGuy]

HornyGuy is hearing things that simply aren't there.

MadM, Paz, Nicole and even D'arcy completely body her as a bass player.

Okay I'm done being a downer.

yeah, they were great players too...specially Melissa. But that doesnt make Ginger a bad player.

Darcy is, pehaps, the weakest there.

[Ello Sailor]

I used to think D'arcy was the weakest. But when you go back and listen to her lock in with Jimmy on Silverfuck live in '93... she was actually pretty damn good. She served the songs well.

[VinylGuy]

i always liked D'arcy. I think the band was super good in the 90s.

[Ello Sailor]

Pinkpop '94. I'd give my left nut for a time machine. (Trigger warning: "stabilized" video. Don't watch this if you're on psychedelics.)

[Ello Sailor]

The Smashing Pumpkins give us the title track (The Aeroplane Flies High), which for me is the best track on possible both this release and Mellon Collie.

I've been thinking about this a bit, and it might have some legs. My top 5 in no particular order would probably be:

The Aeroplane Flies High
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
Set the Ray to Jerry
By Starlight

Honorable mentions: Here is No Why, Galapogos, Jellybelly, Mouths of Babes, 1979, Stumbeline.

[VinylGuy]

there is so many songs from that era its impossible to me to pick 5

[Ello Sailor]

Put on your big boy pants, Veg.

[Kevin Davis]

If I had to pick a favorite it would probably be "To Forgive." That one cuts deep for me.

Other favorites that are jumping to mind right away:

Marquis in Spades
Stumbeline
We Only Come Out at Night
Thirty-Three

Hon. mention: Here is No Why, 1979, Set the Ray to Jerry, Medilla of the Gray Skies, Muzzle, Lily (the guitar tone on this is ), etc. -- the list goes on. So many good ones.

[Ello Sailor]

'To Forgive' has aged remarkably well. I also love the inclusion of 'Thirty-three' and 'We Only Come Out...'

I was not expecting 'Marquis', though. A solid track, but perhaps you're hearing something I'm not.

[VinylGuy]

Pff i dont know...Thirty Three for sure. 1979, Set the Ray to Jerry, Porcelina... Jellybelly...but there are so many songs.

[Ello Sailor]

That's an incredible list, and I'm proud of you.

[Ello Sailor]

'Set the Ray to Jerry' is cleaning up this awards season.

[VinylGuy]

it is such a good song...i remember when i first listened to it and it was like whoa, this is a b side? Speaks of how truly great that moment was for Billy.