Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Has everyone had their coffee this morning?

(I haven't: I don't drink hot drinks. And that makes me stronger than you).

i dont drink hot drinks either, they burn my mouth, so that means im as strong as you

[Brambo]

No, eddie is not a douche neither brendan hahaha. Brendan said that eddie is given always the max in his performance, in the live shows, even when he'singing in the shower (douche).

[ABNorman]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

[ABNorman]

Has everyone had their coffee this morning?

(I haven't: I don't drink hot drinks. And that makes me stronger than you).

i dont drink hot drinks either, they burn my mouth, so that means im as strong as you

[Brambo]

http://www.nu.nl/muziek/3588470/produce ... ohits.html

Short interview with B'OB on LB.

Main points:

-He wants them to be more radio friendly. But the band won't
-In the first LB sessions a couple of harder tracks were recorded but didn't make the cut (I imagine 'Ole' being one of them)
-Stone was much more on the foreground, involved, for the LB sessions. He likes that about PJ. He said their roles are always changing.

I guess they mean mike, because brendan is talking about the member who wrote sirens.

[harmless]

No, eddie is not a douche neither brendan hahaha. Brendan said that eddie is given always the max in his performance, in the live shows, even when he'singing in the shower (douche).

LOL yeah I was kidding, I just thought the title was funny in context. I translated the piece on my computer, what I got from it was interesting. Disagreement in the ranks. Of course we don't really know that no BoB would be better. S/T still had its problems and BoB wasn't involved. But it's still interesting that Ed has a drive to do more than just pop music.

[stupidmop]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Fuck off brenden! Fight the power ed!

Though obviously he isnt fighting that hard, what with sirens n all.

[harmless]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Maybe you're right. It sounds as if Ed didn't want Betterman on Vitalogy; am I getting that right? Things would've been pretty different without that song.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Soooo...

I see we're on to shitting on Mike McCready's solos.

Please fucking leak. Please.

not bashing on mike's solos, just saying that stone's solos are better

[harmless]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Fuck off brenden! Fight the power ed!

Though obviously he isnt fighting that hard, what with sirens n all.

Sirens has some pretty obvious "flaws" if it wants to be a pop hit... But I'd love to really quiz Ed on how happy he is about the bells and whistles on it.

[Thejambi]

So this happened, huh? People are still telling fully-grown adults that they can't have a negative opinion on anything Pearl Jam does? I'd like to remind everyone that PJ are also fully-grown adults, getting handsomely paid for what they do. They don't need Internet white knights sticking up for them. They do what they want to do, and their fans will have opinions on the products they release. Well, the ones still allowed to utilise independent thinking will. It's fine. Live and let live.

Is there anyone on any post saying u can't have an opinion on the band? Some people just have different opinions. Live and let live? Someone who posts 12000 mainly negative posts on a board about the fricking thing the board is about does have much of a life to live. And if anyone doesn't accept peoples opinions it's you. Stick your withering responses up your cake hole.

Peace out... Fuck off and sharpen your knives for when this thing drops, I have a feeling you won't like the album anyway. Laters

This was the kind of post I was referring to:

anyone who bashes on Mike solos is basically saying they hate PJ. It's the same as bashing on Stones riffs

If we can't have a conversation about why this kind of post is ridiculous, at least let's not resort to fucking insults and being a general dickhead, like you do here.

Its not a conversation man, you're on each topic running the music down. If you went off the band after Riot Act or whatever, some people came onto this board recently to get buzzed about a new album which doesnt happen so often. The stalwarts on this board are like 'oh, we have to put up with fans... this place is about communication and democracy...we're the RM...' Its not, really its not... this is for fans. You and your ilk are the passive agressive, borderline personalities, who must have very little control in their own lives because they need to exert it here instead. Seriously change your posting name to 'General Dickhead'... its so fitting and you came up with all on your own... me, I preferred you're earlier stuff...

A lot of people, including myself, are ecstatic about the new album and engage in entertaining, balanced and generally enjoyable conversations on this forum. All too often these true "fans" some in here and give there two cents about how they unconditionally love Pearl jam and if we don't we are not fans. Then they disappear. Or they stick around and make generalized comments about our personal lives without a clue as to who they are "bashing".
This is a place of great discourse. Say something constructive (positive or negative) and get an appropriate response. Say something like "anyone who bashes on Mike solos is basically saying they hate PJ. It's the same as bashing on Stones riffs"(which was the target of Harmless post) is ignorant and deserves to be called out for it.
We don't choose what side you fall on, that's on you.

[stupidmop]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Maybe you're right. It sounds as if Ed didn't want Betterman on Vitalogy; am I getting that right? Things would've been pretty different without that song.

Have you never heard that story before? Ed wanted to just give it away for a charity cd or something like that but brenden (and the rest of the band I think?) wanted to put it on the album. I remember something like stone saying he wondered what other songs ed had lying around cause they only heard betterman by accident, or something idk.

Ed admits in that rolling stone interview that sirens is pretty commercial, I assume he just rolled with it this time, hence brenden being so excited about it.

[Brambo]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Maybe you're right. It sounds as if Ed didn't want Betterman on Vitalogy; am I getting that right? Things would've been pretty different without that song.

Yip, that's right brendan said that eddie didn't want betterman on vitalogy because of its hit potential

[harmless]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Maybe you're right. It sounds as if Ed didn't want Betterman on Vitalogy; am I getting that right? Things would've been pretty different without that song.

Have you never heard that story before? Ed wanted to just give it away for a charity cd or something like that but brenden (and the rest of the band I think?) wanted to put it on the album. I remember something like stone saying he wondered what other songs ed had lying around cause they only heard betterman by accident, or something idk.

Ed admits in that rolling stone interview that sirens is pretty commercial, I assume he just rolled with it this time, hence brenden being so excited about it.

I'd heard it insinuated before, Ed's hesitation with Betterman, but this is the first time I've read about it explicitly. And the Rolling Stone interview... is that the one where he admits to courting "sentimentality" as he put it? Yeah I thought that was refreshingly honest.

[Blenheim Augustine]

On Sirens Stone plays for example, almost all the guitar parts. He was much more prominent during all sessions and plays a lot more than usual.

[jtr101]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Id agree with that statement, except that i didnt' even find backspacer likeable even initially ...haha...

[Tuolumne]

Arghhh in a dutch interview with brendan o'brien, he said he love to make pearl jam songs with hit potential. He is trying to push eddie in that way, but he won't. "When eddie gets the feeling that a song have som hit potential, he wants to stop with it immediately"

Guess we know who wears the pants there, then.

But both sides of that coin are a little extreme. Bob wants to sacrifice quality and longevity for a hit, and Eddie wants to sacrifice accessibility for a statement. Middle ground here is best, with a few outliers either side.

Really? It sounds to me that middle ground is watered-down PJ.

I don't think so. The interplay is important. But we're not going to agree here: You're a big fan of Riot Act, right? For me, Riot Act is what happens when pop sensibility is sacrificed completely, and I really dislike it.

Backspacer is probably as close as PJ come to the other side of the coin. Really fun and likeable initially, lacking substance later on.

Great points. This dynamic being discussed here is the essence of what makes Pearl Jam interesting to me. PJ is the band, from the very very beginning, who have sort of walked the tightrope between the old uncompromising indie rock world and the completely compromising schlock rock world.

If I wanted a band that completely disregarded pop and mainstream sensibilities, I would have just gotten into Sonic Youth. You want interesting, layered, experimental, left turns, no care in the world about how that relates to the "commercial" world? Sonic Youth is your band. I don't know why you'd evr bother with Pearl Jam. But SY never appealed to me because it always struck me as a "preach to the choir" band. PJ is the band that reaches out and grabs you, and while you're hooked in, you get some important statements.

[Mike]

Does Brendan WANT me to think he sucks?

[stip]

So this happened, huh? People are still telling fully-grown adults that they can't have a negative opinion on anything Pearl Jam does? I'd like to remind everyone that PJ are also fully-grown adults, getting handsomely paid for what they do. They don't need Internet white knights sticking up for them. They do what they want to do, and their fans will have opinions on the products they release. Well, the ones still allowed to utilise independent thinking will. It's fine. Live and let live.

Is there anyone on any post saying u can't have an opinion on the band? Some people just have different opinions. Live and let live? Someone who posts 12000 mainly negative posts on a board about the fricking thing the board is about does have much of a life to live. And if anyone doesn't accept peoples opinions it's you. Stick your withering responses up your cake hole.

Peace out... Fuck off and sharpen your knives for when this thing drops, I have a feeling you won't like the album anyway. Laters

This was the kind of post I was referring to:

anyone who bashes on Mike solos is basically saying they hate PJ. It's the same as bashing on Stones riffs

If we can't have a conversation about why this kind of post is ridiculous, at least let's not resort to fucking insults and being a general dickhead, like you do here.

Its not a conversation man, you're on each topic running the music down. If you went off the band after Riot Act or whatever, some people came onto this board recently to get buzzed about a new album which doesnt happen so often. The stalwarts on this board are like 'oh, we have to put up with fans... this place is about communication and democracy...we're the RM...' Its not, really its not... this is for fans. You and your ilk are the passive agressive, borderline personalities, who must have very little control in their own lives because they need to exert it here instead. Seriously change your posting name to 'General Dickhead'... its so fitting and you came up with all on your own... me, I preferred you're earlier stuff...

I honestly think you've got the wrong guy, man. You've not caught my thousands of posts gushing about Sirens and three of the leaked songs? You want to check my postcount; I wouldn't have got to 10,000 posts before anyone else if all I posted was negative. Seriously. I do sometimes post negative things, but that's because I'm a human being with ears and the ability to process what I hear critically.

Now Harmless, we've all met chud.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Does Brendan WANT me to think he sucks?

it seems that way, but at the same time he thinks that PJ sucks with out him, so everything he is doing that makes us think he sucks is stuff that he thinks will make PJ not suck. its a vicious cycle