97. In My Tree vs Immortality

[stip]

i just love tournaments

[ABNorman]

i just love tournaments

At the same time in 2010, you were taking part or running an animals tournament, a pearl jam snake style team tournament, a 70s, an 80s and a 90s "other bands" tournament.

[Anders]

Ah, here we go:

Green Habit runs the 2005 tournament and introduces it with the words:

In coordination with the famous NCAA March Madness in college b-ball, we will hold the 2nd Annual PJ March Madness Tournament!

What about 2010?

I haven't found the impetus of the 2010 tournament, but it was two march madness style elimination tournaments - 90s and 00s. Then a joint championship to pick the winner, which was In My Tree. Only it took place in September.

Sounds a bit like what Stip are doing with the previous winners this tournament.

The differences here are important, though. The biggest being the removal of past winners (for now).

Yes, and the real winner this year, is not the song that wins the first tournament, but the one who wins of all the championsin the second partof MM.

[mkay0]

Love to see my two favorite PJ songs head to head this early on, smh

[Kevin Davis]

Love both of these, but "IMT" got my vote.

[epilogue]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

[tragabigzanda]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

I think the big change was that when I was younger, I adored anything with Ed's voice on it. And Jack's drumming put it over the top.

But as the years went on, I've lost the fanboy tendencies, have been exposed to a lot more music, and tend to judge some of PJ's stuff a bit harsher than I used to. So yeah, the song hasn't changed, but the things want from PJ have changed, somewhat. And the verses of this song just do nothing for me anymore, despite Ed's lovely voice.

[epilogue]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

I think the big change was that when I was younger, I adored anything with Ed's voice on it. And Jack's drumming put it over the top.

But as the years went on, I've lost the fanboy tendencies, have been exposed to a lot more music, and tend to judge some of PJ's stuff a bit harsher than I used to. So yeah, the song hasn't changed, but the things want from PJ have changed, somewhat. And the verses of this song just do nothing for me anymore, despite Ed's lovely voice.

That's what I was getting at.

I'll go ahead and ignore the implied "I grew up and you didn't" part of your post because I know that's not what you meant. I just love hearing about others' experiences with the band. Obviously we all came to RM for a reason.

Cool to hear a different perspective. I love how we all have differing psychologies around this stuff.

[wease]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

I think the big change was that when I was younger, I adored anything with Ed's voice on it. And Jack's drumming put it over the top.

But as the years went on, I've lost the fanboy tendencies, have been exposed to a lot more music, and tend to judge some of PJ's stuff a bit harsher than I used to. So yeah, the song hasn't changed, but the things want from PJ have changed, somewhat. And the verses of this song just do nothing for me anymore, despite Ed's lovely voice.

That's what I was getting at.

I'll go ahead and ignore the implied "I grew up and you didn't" part of your post because I know that's not what you meant. I just love hearing about others' experiences with the band. Obviously we all came to RM for a reason.

Cool to hear a different perspective. I love how we all have differing psychologies around this stuff.

When did you get into the band, Joe?

[epilogue]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

I think the big change was that when I was younger, I adored anything with Ed's voice on it. And Jack's drumming put it over the top.

But as the years went on, I've lost the fanboy tendencies, have been exposed to a lot more music, and tend to judge some of PJ's stuff a bit harsher than I used to. So yeah, the song hasn't changed, but the things want from PJ have changed, somewhat. And the verses of this song just do nothing for me anymore, despite Ed's lovely voice.

That's what I was getting at.

I'll go ahead and ignore the implied "I grew up and you didn't" part of your post because I know that's not what you meant. I just love hearing about others' experiences with the band. Obviously we all came to RM for a reason.

Cool to hear a different perspective. I love how we all have differing psychologies around this stuff.

When did you get into the band, Joe?

That's a complicated question. I wrote about this more extensively in a blog post but the most simplistic answer is 1993.

[wease]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... In My Tree is my all time favorite song by any band. As brilliant and moving as Immortality is, as much as I adore Vitalogy and Immortality's place in the cannon, there simply isn't a single song I'd vote for over In My Tree.

It is the best song. And will always get my vote.

I just...I can't reconcile this worldview with the reality I know. That second verse is SO plodding. I'm nodding off just thinking about it.

I wish you could hear the song I hear.

I honestly did when the album came out. But it's been years since it did anything for me.

Interesting thought here about differing psychologies.

I think the big change was that when I was younger, I adored anything with Ed's voice on it. And Jack's drumming put it over the top.

But as the years went on, I've lost the fanboy tendencies, have been exposed to a lot more music, and tend to judge some of PJ's stuff a bit harsher than I used to. So yeah, the song hasn't changed, but the things want from PJ have changed, somewhat. And the verses of this song just do nothing for me anymore, despite Ed's lovely voice.

That's what I was getting at.

I'll go ahead and ignore the implied "I grew up and you didn't" part of your post because I know that's not what you meant. I just love hearing about others' experiences with the band. Obviously we all came to RM for a reason.

Cool to hear a different perspective. I love how we all have differing psychologies around this stuff.

When did you get into the band, Joe?

That's a complicated question. I wrote about this more extensively in a blog post but the most simplistic answer is 1993.

I’m not a subscriber to your blog.

[epilogue]

The short version ---

Didn't love PJ after their first three single (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy). Best friend insisted I would like them if I gave them a chance. Gave me Ten on tape. Liked it but worried they'd be a one album band like so many others I knew back then. A different friend bought VS on CD. Let me borrow it. I saw they weren't a "one hit wonder" and fell in love. Bought Vitalogy late (not when it dropped). Bad experience (not the album or band's fault). Didn't listen to it again in full for a long, long time.

No Code was the first PJ album I bought the day it dropped but I'd considered myself a die-hard fan since 93 when Vs dropped.

[wease]

Can I subscribe to your blog?

[epilogue]

No subscription necessary. It's on my website. I'm sadly sporadic with updates lately but that's something I've been trying to fix and be much more discipled about.

[wease]

The short version ---

Didn't love PJ after their first three single (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy). Best friend insisted I would like them if I gave them a chance. Gave me Ten on tape. Liked it but worried they'd be a one album band like so many others I knew back then. A different friend bought VS on CD. Let me borrow it. I saw they weren't a "one hit wonder" and fell in love. Bought Vitalogy late (not when it dropped). Bad experience (not the album or band's fault). Didn't listen to it again in full for a long, long time.

No Code was the first PJ album I bought the day it dropped but I'd considered myself a die-hard fan since 93 when Vs dropped.

So how did you feel in regards to the differences between what they released on No Code and Vs (and Vitalogy to a lesser extent, I guess, since you ignored it)?

[wease]

No subscription necessary. It's on my website. I'm sadly sporadic with updates lately but that's something I've been trying to fix and be much more discipled about.

I SAID I WANNA SUBSCRIBE GODDAMMIT!

[epilogue]

The short version ---

Didn't love PJ after their first three single (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy). Best friend insisted I would like them if I gave them a chance. Gave me Ten on tape. Liked it but worried they'd be a one album band like so many others I knew back then. A different friend bought VS on CD. Let me borrow it. I saw they weren't a "one hit wonder" and fell in love. Bought Vitalogy late (not when it dropped). Bad experience (not the album or band's fault). Didn't listen to it again in full for a long, long time.

No Code was the first PJ album I bought the day it dropped but I'd considered myself a die-hard fan since 93 when Vs dropped.

So how did you feel in regards to the differences between what they released on No Code and Vs (and Vitalogy to a lesser extent, I guess, since you ignored it)?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... sorry...

Maybe this isn't what you mean but I would say that Vs is much more immediate and visceral and No Code is much more cerebral. I loved both at the times that I heard each. I think for a long time I though of Vs as the better album but No Code has probably climbed above it in my rankings, though they are close. The themes on Vs don't hit me quite as hard as they used to -- excepting of course the quieter numbers (Daughter, Small Town, Indifference). However, I'd also say that the lyrics on No Code don't move me as much as they did when I was younger, in general -- excepting of course In My Tree and Off He Goes which I think are Ed's best lyrics in the 90s.

[wease]

The short version ---

Didn't love PJ after their first three single (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy). Best friend insisted I would like them if I gave them a chance. Gave me Ten on tape. Liked it but worried they'd be a one album band like so many others I knew back then. A different friend bought VS on CD. Let me borrow it. I saw they weren't a "one hit wonder" and fell in love. Bought Vitalogy late (not when it dropped). Bad experience (not the album or band's fault). Didn't listen to it again in full for a long, long time.

No Code was the first PJ album I bought the day it dropped but I'd considered myself a die-hard fan since 93 when Vs dropped.

So how did you feel in regards to the differences between what they released on No Code and Vs (and Vitalogy to a lesser extent, I guess, since you ignored it)?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... sorry...

Maybe this isn't what you mean but I would say that Vs is much more immediate and visceral and No Code is much more cerebral. I loved both at the times that I heard each. I think for a long time I though of Vs as the better album but No Code has probably climbed above it in my rankings, though they are close. The themes on Vs don't hit me quite as hard as they used to -- excepting of course the quieter numbers (Daughter, Small Town, Indifference). However, I'd also say that the lyrics on No Code don't move me as much as they did when I was younger, in general -- excepting of course In My Tree and Off He Goes which I think are Ed's best lyrics in the 90s.

Well, it’s a pretty drastic change to go from Vs to No Code. Especially if you don’t factor in Vitalogy and Mirrorball/Merkinball. I had friends that practically stopped being Pearl Jam fans when No Code was released and I was wondering how it hit you since Vs was your last real touchstone for them up to that point.

[stip]

i just love tournaments

At the same time in 2010, you were taking part or running an animals tournament, a pearl jam snake style team tournament, a 70s, an 80s and a 90s "other bands" tournament.

then i had a kid

[epilogue]

The short version ---

Didn't love PJ after their first three single (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy). Best friend insisted I would like them if I gave them a chance. Gave me Ten on tape. Liked it but worried they'd be a one album band like so many others I knew back then. A different friend bought VS on CD. Let me borrow it. I saw they weren't a "one hit wonder" and fell in love. Bought Vitalogy late (not when it dropped). Bad experience (not the album or band's fault). Didn't listen to it again in full for a long, long time.

No Code was the first PJ album I bought the day it dropped but I'd considered myself a die-hard fan since 93 when Vs dropped.

So how did you feel in regards to the differences between what they released on No Code and Vs (and Vitalogy to a lesser extent, I guess, since you ignored it)?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... sorry...

Maybe this isn't what you mean but I would say that Vs is much more immediate and visceral and No Code is much more cerebral. I loved both at the times that I heard each. I think for a long time I though of Vs as the better album but No Code has probably climbed above it in my rankings, though they are close. The themes on Vs don't hit me quite as hard as they used to -- excepting of course the quieter numbers (Daughter, Small Town, Indifference). However, I'd also say that the lyrics on No Code don't move me as much as they did when I was younger, in general -- excepting of course In My Tree and Off He Goes which I think are Ed's best lyrics in the 90s.

Well, it’s a pretty drastic change to go from Vs to No Code. Especially if you don’t factor in Vitalogy and Mirrorball/Merkinball. I had friends that practically stopped being Pearl Jam fans when No Code was released and I was wondering how it hit you since Vs was your last real touchstone for them up to that point.

Gotcha. Yeah.

My best friend who gave me Ten on cassette did not like No Code. I bought it the day it dropped and he came over to my house and listened to it with me. After the first listen, I was overjoyed and thought it was so awesome and weird and fun and I hit play again immediately. He didn't want to listen again and went home.

Most of the people in my life were that way. They'd felt like Ten was a 10/10, Vs was a 9/10, Vitalogy was an 8/10, and so on... My friend Winston was the only other pal I had then that really dug No Code the way that I did. He bought a second copy of the CD just to unfold and hang on his wall. But most everyone kinda bailed.

I've never been one to desire or expect that a band I like repeats themselves. So, I was just along for the ride.

Kinda what I was talking about with differing psychologies, I'm much more a lean in and defend and support something I already like kinda guy. Once I like it, I fucking LIKE it and I'm loyal to it. If that makes sense. It's hard to get me off a train I'm already on.