What mega tournament would you like to see next?

[liebzz]

Pretty simple I’d think: a member of PJ had to be a FT member of the other band

So do you include the Red Hot Chili Peppers (Jack Irons), and Soundgarden (Matt Cameron)…and Candlebox!? (Dave Krusen)

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[liebzz]

Maybe exclude the other band if they sold more than a million record BUT if they had more than one PJ member (TOTD) they’re in

By the time we’re done slicing this up, we’ll have an acknowledgement checkbox to submit to the terms and conditions before you can participate.

[Anders]

Nothing released from a drummer after they left the band. Can include Jack I, Dave A and Dave K only if it was released in the time period they were a member.

Anything from Matt C goes, from the beginning of time until now.

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[Anders]

Think pre-Pearl Jam could be fair game as well, like MLB, Green River, Bad Radio etc.

[Farmer John]

Let's make this happen.

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[liebzz]

OK, since this would be a side-project tourney, that implies that:

1. The project has to have begun after PJ's inception. So TOTD is in, Soundgarden is out.

2. The project has to have been active while the band member in question was active in PJ. So no Green Romance Orchestra, Candlebox, etc.

3. For simplicity sake, I think we jettison anything that qualifies as a compilation: No Flag Day soundtrack, none of Mike's soundtrack work.

4. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider Boom and Klinghoffer to be hired guns and not contributing members, so the Po Fathers and Pluralone stuff is out.

Seem fair?

Couple of points of order: we need a 90s rock historian to trace the history of Wellwater Conspiracy, who would I think be out due to these rules since their first album is in 1997 and Matt Cameron joined Pearl Jam in 1998. Hater similarly out since the first album is 1993(?). Eleven out since the first album I think predates Jack Irons in Pearl Jam.

Under these rules, Into the Wild is out.

[Farmer John]

I think you should make an exception for Wellwater Conspiracy, mainly because I would want to draft those songs.

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[liebzz]

If Mike’s soundtracks are out, which are all Mike, then why would Into the Wild be in?

I mean, Into the Wild is a compilation of covers and originals meant as a soundtrack to a film in a similar universe to Flag Day, where Ed appears in one form or another on most of the tracks.

[liebzz]

I would define the rules as follows:

- No bands where that band enjoyed an extensive level of commercial success that would defy the spirit of this exercise (I.e. Soundgarden, RHCP, Candlebox).

- eligibility as a side project must includes only projects from band members central to more than one album (Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament, Mike McCready, Matt Cameron, Dave A., Jack Irons)

- single or minimal contribution to a project does not count (I.e. Star Anna is out).

Which means we then should compile the list of eligible projects.

[liebzz]

I have no objection to eliminating scores, which would eliminate Sadie and The Glamour and the Squalor - those are mostly sketches anyway than songs.

[tragabigzanda]

Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb

I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem

[liebzz]

Ed sings on about half the tracks but I think he is involved in most of them.

[liebzz]

I get what you are saying. My concern is whether a couple individual voices could or should nix Eleven or Deranged Diction because we may not like it. It’s also an opportunity to expose some to these projects that didn’t know about them or never took the time to listen but might if they get to vote on it.

[Birds in Hell]

I don't think Eleven fits any timeline: Jack's work with the band neatly either pre or post-dates his time with Pearl Jam.

(note: they also have that album - Thunk - where Jack left halfway through to join Pearl Jam, and the remaining tracks were recorded by Matt Cameron!)

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