Are you not not going to watch the Oscars this year?

[Ms Harmless]

"people with various chromosomal arrangements" was really meant to include intersex people

[Ms Harmless]

and some disabled people

[Rob]

Guys, just get to the biological sex part of this already. What is a Y chromosome and what does it mean??? (I get that gender is sometimes different).

people have various chromosomal arrangements; they can't always be neatly fitted with M or F, and most people obsessively angry at all my shit have never tested their own chromosomes, they're just guessing

I mean specifically the 23rd pair. I've never heard of various arrangements and many people out there seem upset that someone with a Y chromosome isn't considered a "biological" male.

well yeah, I'm not one

I refuse to make this personal, but I'm asking if someone with x/y chromosomes on that last pair is a biological male (gender aside). Assuming this person has a penis, testicles, prostate, no uterus... at birth.

[Ms Harmless]

Guys, just get to the biological sex part of this already. What is a Y chromosome and what does it mean??? (I get that gender is sometimes different).

people have various chromosomal arrangements; they can't always be neatly fitted with M or F, and most people obsessively angry at all my shit have never tested their own chromosomes, they're just guessing

I mean specifically the 23rd pair. I've never heard of various arrangements and many people out there seem upset that someone with a Y chromosome isn't considered a "biological" male.

well yeah, I'm not one

someone with a Y chromosome may be a biological male, they may not

[Ms Harmless]

Guys, just get to the biological sex part of this already. What is a Y chromosome and what does it mean??? (I get that gender is sometimes different).

people have various chromosomal arrangements; they can't always be neatly fitted with M or F, and most people obsessively angry at all my shit have never tested their own chromosomes, they're just guessing

I mean specifically the 23rd pair. I've never heard of various arrangements and many people out there seem upset that someone with a Y chromosome isn't considered a "biological" male.

well yeah, I'm not one

I refuse to make this personal, but I'm asking if someone with x/y chromosomes on that last pair is a biological male (gender aside). Assuming this person has a penis, testicles, prostate, no uterus... at birth.

OK but as long as you're asking me, you already know what answer you're gonna get: they might be, they aren't always and inherently

[Rob]

Is there no difference between gender and biological sex? Is biological sex a made up term?

[Ms Harmless]

there is nothing biological or anatomical that should determine M or F

when a person says there is, it's an opinion; it's an opinion because there are other, better ways of doing this

[Ms Harmless]

Is there no difference between gender and biological sex? Is biological sex a made up term?

all terms are made up, but I know that's not very helpful

I believe that "biological sex" is a social construct, and all it is is the various ways we apply gender to bodies (ours and/or other people's)

[Ms Harmless]

gender and sex are different in the sense that my body doesn't determine my gender

they're the same in the sense that if I'm a woman, my body is a female body, no matter what bits and bobs it's got

[Rob]

Biological sex is a scientific term, though, not a social construct. Gender can be fluid, obviously.

[Ms Harmless]

science is a number of frameworks and languages we use to describe observable phenomenon; life comes first, science is how we frame it; so science changes and evolves as human society does and we learn more

like I said, I'm a physically disabled person who is transitioning, and none of my doctors have any confusion about how to treat me

the field of science is way beyond "two genders, dick and vag, done"

[Ms Harmless]

science didn't appear in the big bang; humans needed it, so we created it

[Mickey]

science didn't appear in the big bang; humans needed it, so we created it

Wrong.

[Rob]

science didn't appear in the big bang; humans needed it, so we created it

We learned it. And yes, it evolves. Still, you're talking solely about gender, which I've already acknowledged is fluid (which is why they know how to help you). Do you think there is no such thing as a biological male or female? Is it all just a grey area to science?

[Ms Harmless]

science didn't appear in the big bang; humans needed it, so we created it

Wrong.

you don't need science?

[Jorge]

Apparently Will was in fact asked to leave

[Ms Harmless]

science didn't appear in the big bang; humans needed it, so we created it

We learned it. And yes, it evolves. Still, you're talking solely about gender, which I've already acknowledged is fluid (which is why they know how to help you). Do you think there is no such thing as a biological male or female? Is it all just a grey area to science?

I think the terms are arbitrary and mean nothing

[Ms Harmless]

social construct isn't the same as grey area

[Rob]

Do you think the terms biological male and female, as applied by science, are social constructs?

[Ms Harmless]

"science" is the frame; other stuff is the picture

we didn't paint the picture, but we used the frame to make sense of it