Are you not not going to watch the Oscars this year?

[Strat]

How is babby formed? How girl get pragnent?

Bend over and I’ll show you!

[Anders]

It’s the middle of the night, and I just woke up. Going back to sleep.

[Rob]

as for my "history of equating disagreement with unkindness", that's kind of an obvious straw biological male

that doesn't happen with most issues, it repeatedly happens with a few

if I say "here is my identity and here is how you and society can embrace and be kind towards it", and you say yes to the first part but no to the second? it's not kindness, it's just niceness to soothe your own ego

Nobody except maybe Burt has said that though. People, mostly rob, are just asking you to discuss the second part with us and help us understand. I certainly was mostly just reading the entire time. But if you come into every situation has “oh that’s typical male shit” then we’re always behind the 8 ball and can’t win with you.

[Ms Harmless]

as for my "history of equating disagreement with unkindness", that's kind of an obvious straw biological male

that doesn't happen with most issues, it repeatedly happens with a few

if I say "here is my identity and here is how you and society can embrace and be kind towards it", and you say yes to the first part but no to the second? it's not kindness, it's just niceness to soothe your own ego

Nobody except maybe Burt has said that though. People, mostly rob, are just asking you to discuss the second part with us and help us understand. I certainly was mostly just reading the entire time. But if you come into every situation has “oh that’s typical male shit” then we’re always behind the 8 ball and can’t win with you.

Rob understands perfectly fine, as do you; I'm not going to keep going until you both "win with me"

[Strat]

as for my "history of equating disagreement with unkindness", that's kind of an obvious straw biological male

that doesn't happen with most issues, it repeatedly happens with a few

if I say "here is my identity and here is how you and society can embrace and be kind towards it", and you say yes to the first part but no to the second? it's not kindness, it's just niceness to soothe your own ego

Nobody except maybe Burt has said that though. People, mostly rob, are just asking you to discuss the second part with us and help us understand. I certainly was mostly just reading the entire time. But if you come into every situation has “oh that’s typical male shit” then we’re always behind the 8 ball and can’t win with you.

Rob understands perfectly fine, as do you; I'm not going to keep going until you both "win with me"

I’m not even disagreeing with you! On anything you said! Geezes.

[Ms Harmless]

as for my "history of equating disagreement with unkindness", that's kind of an obvious straw biological male

that doesn't happen with most issues, it repeatedly happens with a few

if I say "here is my identity and here is how you and society can embrace and be kind towards it", and you say yes to the first part but no to the second? it's not kindness, it's just niceness to soothe your own ego

Nobody except maybe Burt has said that though. People, mostly rob, are just asking you to discuss the second part with us and help us understand. I certainly was mostly just reading the entire time. But if you come into every situation has “oh that’s typical male shit” then we’re always behind the 8 ball and can’t win with you.

Rob understands perfectly fine, as do you; I'm not going to keep going until you both "win with me"

I’m not even disagreeing with you! On anything you said! Geezes.

that wasn't my understanding, but OK

[Ms Harmless]

as for "that's typical male shit", I call it as I see it

I have (very few) male friends, and they don't give me that

part of respecting me is respecting my right to discern whether "typical male shit" is happening

and this is RM; it probably will be

[tree_]

I don’t understand why just like, a “different kind of man” can’t be enough. We’re all so very different. Cis male doesn’t cover the depth of a Rob or Burt or me. Can’t we just leave those words alone and be more creative and understanding with them?

[Ms Harmless]

no

[macphisto]

How is babby formed? How girl get pragnent?

Bend over and I’ll show you!

I was born a male. I don’t think I can have a babby.

[Ms Harmless]

cis men and trans men are different kinds of men the same way tall and short men are; these are just adjectives; they don't do everything, but they aren't nothing either

[tree_]

Sure, “man” being the constant

[Rob]

I made it a point to say gender is fluid and should be respected. Even conceded that we differ on what science says and said fine (even though you're disagreeing). I was respectful to you the the whole time. I wonder if your experience has led you to a conclusion based only on feelings. And yes, I realize how this reads, so let me acknowledge that I don't know a damn thing about you or your life, but that's how it comes across to a general audience.

[Ms Harmless]

Sure, “man” being the constant

absolutely; man is a constant, for men

[Ms Harmless]

I made it a point to say gender is fluid and should be respected. Even conceded that we differ on what science says and said fine (even though you're disagreeing). I was respectful to you the the whole time. I wonder if your experience has led you to a conclusion based only on feelings. And yes, I realize how this reads, so let me acknowledge that I don't know a damn thing about you or your life, but that's how it comes across to a general audience.

no, that's how it comes across to you

[Rob]

I made it a point to say gender is fluid and should be respected. Even conceded that we differ on what science says and said fine (even though you're disagreeing). I was respectful to you the the whole time. I wonder if your experience has led you to a conclusion based only on feelings. And yes, I realize how this reads, so let me acknowledge that I don't know a damn thing about you or your life, but that's how it comes across to a general audience.

no, that's how it comes across to you

It's a pretty liberal group here (mach aside), and I don't see many agreeing.

[The Argonaut]

I agree with her. Most of us do. This thread is just to much to bear

[tree_]

This may need to come down to a vote, Argo

[E.H. Ruddock]

I agree with her. Most of us do. This thread is just to much to bear

*too

[Rob]

I agree with her. Most of us do. This thread is just to much to bear

Do you? Is there a scientific consensus on what is a biological male and female, Argo?