we draw a legal line, and that's fine; I know there will come a day when one of my reactions to a stranger trying to attack me will be called the only attack that took place, and maybe even assault; and the systems we have in place will make the wrong call; this happens over and over again to trans women and disabled people (and black people, especially black men, though I won't speak for them any more than I have, it has been entitled in places)tree_ wrote:It sounds like you agree. Nobody says you have to like the joke. We draw the line at hitting.Ms Harmless wrote:this is about freedom of speech, which assumes freedom of response (and I don't mean hitting, I mean not being OK with a joke; I don't see the rights of comedians to say what they want as any more objective or "reasonable")BurtReynolds wrote:"Accountability" out of their mouths always sounds like the desire to instill their guilt and shame and neurosis on everyone around them. But speaking of accountability, how about being accountable for one's own feelings rather than externalizing the blame for them to other people's words, or demanding everyone walk on eggshells for one's own benefit?
there is a lot of automatic equating of "legality" with moral justice, and I don't think those always overlap
I want verbal jokes, taunts, threats, whatever to be given equal weight in that conversation
maybe I want a utopia, but maybe that's OK
