Disney+: Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022)

[epilogue]

Why do they need to fight?

Thematically it makes a lot of sense.

They already had the scene in A New Hope.

Not at all.

What are you hoping this hypothetical scene accomplishes?

What do you mean?

In terms of progressing and expanding upon the story and themes of their relationship. Why does it need to happen? What does it need to accomplish?

Having not seen the show, obviously, I imagine we start with an Obi-Wan who is lost and despondent. He feels like a failure. He failed to save his friend/spiritual brother Anakin. And at the same time he failed to destroy Darth Vader. It's got to be part of what's eating away at him.

Having the chance to face Anakin/Vader again, to finally succeed is going to be a huge motivation. It's also going to inform HOW they interact.

Their fight in Sith is vicious, violent, and volatile. It's all passion. It's a war for the soul.

Their fight in Hope is measured. It's a chess match. Obi-Wan approaches it, not form a position of wanting to (or even knowing he can) defeat Vader but from a tactical position. He's mostly trying to buy Luke time. He knows he can't defeat him. And he certainly knows there's no turning him (which is a departure from how he used to feel). He also knows that he can become one with the Force. The goal is very different than before.

I expect this fight to give us clues/explorations of: 1) Vader's "Obi-Wan once thought as you did" line, 2) Vader's "You should not have come back" line, 3) Why/how Obi-Wan is so certain he can't defeat Vader. 4) How Obi-Wan goes from being despondent to being focused and certain, to believing Luke is the chosen one.

This new fight should provide insight (if not full answers; I don't expect that) into all of that stuff. We should see each character a very different points in their respective journeys. It's all about the motivations, the HOW/WHY of the fight.

When Obi-Wan takes down Maul in Rebels, it's one of the greatest lightsaber fights in all of Star Wars and it's like three moves. Because only Obi-Wan at that point in his life, having gone through everything else, could have fought that particular fight that particular way. I think the same is true of his two fights (so far) with Vader. I expect this next one to be no different.

Most importantly, Obi-Wan needs it, I think. He needs it to overcome his doubt and fear. At least, that's one way to imagine this playing out. The story could be very different. Obviously, I'm making a lot of guesses as to what this will be about thematically. But all of this rambling provides some reasons why it could work and why it would be important to see them fight again.

I love you and I’m totally posting that in my favourite Star Wars group.

Thanks, bud

[epilogue]

and then there's this:

[dimejinky99]

Or Kanan even

I may be wrong, but wasn’t there an episode of rebels before kanaan died where he reached out to obi wan for something? Could be cool if they showed that

Rebels is set way after this though. 5 years after it I think? There’s room anyways. Especially if Kanan has reached out to him

[dimejinky99]

Uuhgghhhh. One thing I’d hoped was this series wasn’t a Star Wars character cameo of the week as we saw in the other two. Looks like that’s happening. I hope we love them but I hope they’re handled well

They broke this down on Force Center and it was an interesting conversation. It's all about context. We, for example, don't even know what "cameo" means to him. Could be characters in the story. Could be actors. Could be a lot of things.

I'm no less excited.

Good point. I took him to mean character cameos. But you’re right. Could be actors. Jimmy smitts feels like a lock here.

[dimejinky99]

Cool

[E.H. Ruddock]

Rupert is excellent casting for an Inquisitor.

[Monkey_Driven]

Why do they need to fight?

Thematically it makes a lot of sense.

They already had the scene in A New Hope.

Not at all.

What are you hoping this hypothetical scene accomplishes?

What do you mean?

In terms of progressing and expanding upon the story and themes of their relationship. Why does it need to happen? What does it need to accomplish?

Having not seen the show, obviously, I imagine we start with an Obi-Wan who is lost and despondent. He feels like a failure. He failed to save his friend/spiritual brother Anakin. And at the same time he failed to destroy Darth Vader. It's got to be part of what's eating away at him.

Having the chance to face Anakin/Vader again, to finally succeed is going to be a huge motivation. It's also going to inform HOW they interact.

Their fight in Sith is vicious, violent, and volatile. It's all passion. It's a war for the soul.

Their fight in Hope is measured. It's a chess match. Obi-Wan approaches it, not form a position of wanting to (or even knowing he can) defeat Vader but from a tactical position. He's mostly trying to buy Luke time. He knows he can't defeat him. And he certainly knows there's no turning him (which is a departure from how he used to feel). He also knows that he can become one with the Force. The goal is very different than before.

I expect this fight to give us clues/explorations of: 1) Vader's "Obi-Wan once thought as you did" line, 2) Vader's "You should not have come back" line, 3) Why/how Obi-Wan is so certain he can't defeat Vader. 4) How Obi-Wan goes from being despondent to being focused and certain, to believing Luke is the chosen one.

This new fight should provide insight (if not full answers; I don't expect that) into all of that stuff. We should see each character a very different points in their respective journeys. It's all about the motivations, the HOW/WHY of the fight.

When Obi-Wan takes down Maul in Rebels, it's one of the greatest lightsaber fights in all of Star Wars and it's like three moves. Because only Obi-Wan at that point in his life, having gone through everything else, could have fought that particular fight that particular way. I think the same is true of his two fights (so far) with Vader. I expect this next one to be no different.

Most importantly, Obi-Wan needs it, I think. He needs it to overcome his doubt and fear. At least, that's one way to imagine this playing out. The story could be very different. Obviously, I'm making a lot of guesses as to what this will be about thematically. But all of this rambling provides some reasons why it could work and why it would be important to see them fight again.

I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

[epilogue]

I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

I'm not as disenfranchised by modern Star Wars as most of y'all. So, yes. Absolutely. I have no doubt.

[Monkey_Driven]

I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

I'm not as disenfranchised by modern Star Wars as most of y'all. So, yes. Absolutely. I have no doubt.

I wouldn't say I'm completely disenfranchised. I just don't feel super confident about this particular series given its rocky development cycle and the rumored need to cram in several periphery characters.

[epilogue]

I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

I'm not as disenfranchised by modern Star Wars as most of y'all. So, yes. Absolutely. I have no doubt.

I wouldn't say I'm completely disenfranchised. I just don't feel super confident about this particular series given its rocky development cycle and the rumored need to cram in several periphery characters.

I guess I haven't really paid much attention to the rumor cycle (never really do) for this. I'm not aware of any alleged need to cram in periphery characters. But I also don't like to judge this stuff until I see it.

Obi-Wan is a great character, one of my personal favorites. This is a story I've wanted to see/hear told for a long, long time. Ewan is a fantastic talent with a real passion for this character/world. Chow is a great director who did two of my favorite episodes of Mandalorian. That is all I need to know going in. That's enough to ease my mind and get me excited.

We'll see how the story shakes out. Maybe it'll be a train wreck. Maybe it won't register with me at all. But I'm going to engage with the story as it is, not as I want it to be. And I'm not gonna let BTS stuff and internet rumors get in the way.

[dimejinky99]

Not sure there was any hassle making it?

Kennedy did ask for a rewrite as it was too bleak where it should be hopeful. That’s all I heard.
As to the characters well it’s 6 episodes and he’s going off world. He’s going to meet people.
I’d rather they were ‘new’ characters or peripheral over jamming in loads of established ones we know but we cant make that call yet not having seen it.

[VinylGuy]

after the rewrites it seems this production was pretty chill

[dimejinky99]

Hayden Christensen teases more Darth Vader: "The extent of this journey remains to be seen"
By Jack Shepherd published about 6 hours ago

Exclusive: Hayden Christensen talks to Total Film about his return as Darth Vader in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series

https://www.gamesradar.com/hayden-chris ... pvma84f62c

[dimejinky99]

I bloody well hope not. But it kinda makes sense too

[epilogue]

It would make sense.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Will we get Maul at some point?

[Rangi Guy]

Will we get Maul at some point?

It appears not
https://gizmodo.com/obi-wan-kenobi-star ... 1848837249

[epilogue]

Will we get Maul at some point?

That would not make sense.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Will we get Maul at some point?

That would not make sense.

Why not? He’s still alive at that point

[VinylGuy]

he is alive?

when the fuck does maul dies