Punk rock and Hardcore

[bthunders]

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only PJ fan really into punk rock, and hardcore. Anyone else dig it? If so, who are your favorite bands? Any new band suggestions?

[Malloy]

it’s a bummer, but you’re right. pj fans & punk & hardcore don’t really mix. why do you like punk?

[tragabigzanda]

[Ello Sailor]

Listening to Turnstile and enjoying it.

[Malloy]

don’t listen to these guys. pj fans just don’t listen to punk. the clash, the ramones, the stooges? not for this community

[Malloy]

pj fans don’t lap up every band name — many, possibly most of which are punk or hardcore — that ed drops. they don’t do it

[Jorge]

Punk is one of the most influential genres in my life, and the first style of music I could fully claim as my own (divorced from my parents' influence -- though my dad learned to enjoy the genre later on). I think because of this it's still the lens through which I interact with most rock music (I react most positively to stuff that has punkish qualities)

I find a lot of early hardcore a bit dopey and musically rigid but I love Hüsker Dü and the more experimental stuff

[Malloy]

these men are professional liars

[tragabigzanda]

Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb

I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem

[bthunders]

it’s a bummer, but you’re right. pj fans & punk & hardcore don’t really mix. why do you like punk?

I’ve loved punk rock since I was 12 yrs old, and I’m 39 now. I just think lyrically it has always moved me. The same as PJ. I love the ethics of it as well

[Ms Harmless]

as a very rhythmically-minded person I dislike much of the affected naivety and looseness of much pure hardcore and punk (I think, the very qualities Jorge would want from it), but I do like more tight / precise / technical, verging-on-math-metal hardcore stuff -- where punk meets Sludge and Tech Death almost -- like Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, At the Drive In, etc

[bthunders]

That’s fair. At the Drive In and Converge are cool. I like bands from all the different sub genres of punk n hardcore. My favorite band, besides PJ, is Against Me

[Ms Harmless]

this is basically an evolution of Nirvana, and I like it

[tragabigzanda]

[Ms Harmless]

That’s fair. At the Drive In and Converge are cool. I like bands from all the different sub genres of punk n hardcore. My favorite band, besides PJ, is Against Me

I like what I've heard of Against Me and as a trans woman and rock music fan I'm really grateful for Laura Jane Grace

[tragabigzanda]

[Jorge]

A lot of punk is very tight and in the pocket. I find it hard to characterize the genre as a whole as either loose or tight (drumming-wise), there's a good amount of variety.

[tragabigzanda]

[Malloy]

as a very rhythmically-minded person I dislike much of the affected naivety and looseness of much pure hardcore and punk (I think, the very qualities Jorge would want from it), but I do like more tight / precise / technical, verging-on-math-metal hardcore stuff -- where punk meets Sludge and Tech Death almost -- like Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, At the Drive In, etc

Weird that you would describe loose punk as “affected,” and then proclaim affection for bands that lean heavily on drum replacement, quantization and the like to create an inhuman sound.

the same question about “affectedness” occurred to me.

[Ms Harmless]

as a very rhythmically-minded person I dislike much of the affected naivety and looseness of much pure hardcore and punk (I think, the very qualities Jorge would want from it), but I do like more tight / precise / technical, verging-on-math-metal hardcore stuff -- where punk meets Sludge and Tech Death almost -- like Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, At the Drive In, etc

Weird that you would describe loose punk as “affected,” and then proclaim affection for bands that lean heavily on drum replacement, quantization and the like to create an inhuman sound.

I am a Meshuggah fan, and they do all that; but Tomas Haake (for example) has never programmed anything he couldn't play; and bands like Animals as Leaders are absolutely pushing a complex drumming style that *sounds* unhuman, but isn't; the drummers are just that good

by "affected" I just mean "deliberate"; the classic loose, "we can't play our instruments and we dgaf" attitude of punk is a stylistic / aesthetic choice; and so is what you'd say was "inhuman" precision

it's no accident that Dave A was my favourite drummer precisely because he was "too busy" for some, and Jack Irons was just OK for me... for reasons that make him other people's favourite

I'm "more is more" when it comes to rhythm, I want rudiments and chops till they piss you off