Do you have an inner monologue?

spike · Post by **spike** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:29 pm

Dev wrote:colonizing mars is evil. it's a good excuse to prioritize capitalism and to forget taking care of our own planet. and guess what. it's totally untenable. it's abhorrent.

Bad take. Space exploration is cool.

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:30 pm

to pretend we can colonize mars is an absolute joke.

sorry.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:31 pm

nobody is colonizing mars.

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:32 pm

that's what I just said.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:32 pm

Lex Friedman is so goddamn boring jesus christ.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 5:45 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:Lex Friedman is so goddamn boring jesus christ.

I mean I like the guy and he has interesting people on, but his voice is death.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 7:22 pm

Is conscious subjective experience a result of a certain level of complexity, or is it inherent in all things to varying degrees?

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 7:23 pm

It is it just me?

tree_ · Post by **tree_** » Mon May 02, 2022 7:30 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:Is conscious subjective experience a result of a certain level of complexity, or is it inherent in all things to varying degrees?

I believe pure consciousness is life itself. When contained within a humanoid vessel, an illusion of "me" comes up. But a plant doesn't have to think like we do in order to be conscious. Plants and other animals are aware without all the weird neurotic bullshit we deal with. Trees, mushrooms, they communicate with one another but in a completely connected, unadulterated way that the best of us catch glimpses of from time to time. You don't have a life, you are life.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:18 pm

Why limit it to life? No reason to think it doesn't apply to all matter.

It's like gravity. Even an atom has some infinitesimal effect on gravity or spacetime. They could also have a crude mental aspect (not really a mind, but a mental stuff).

tree_ · Post by **tree_** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:23 pm

Yeah I’m able to accept that there are different spectrums of life and consciousness. I guess I’m just more interested in the kind of consciousness that we have Because I can actually experience it

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:51 pm

I'm not sure I get the point of debating what the term consciousness applies to. Obviously there are levels. Where are we going with this? Why does it matter?

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:54 pm

It might matter if someone tells you they can reproduce your consciousness or self in a computer.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:55 pm

https://www.closertotruth.com/series/do ... ideo-57481

Pretty interesting interviews. The interviewer is pretty good too. He pushes a few of them on some things.

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:56 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:It might matter if someone tells you they can reproduce your consciousness or self in a computer.

Why exactly?

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Mon May 02, 2022 10:09 pm

I like being alive and conscious

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 10:11 pm

no, why does it matter in regards to reproducing consciousness on a computer?

tree_ · Post by **tree_** » Mon May 02, 2022 10:12 pm

Because it may mean you can live forever

JuanHamm · Post by **JuanHamm** » Mon May 02, 2022 10:21 pm

tree_ wrote:Because it may mean you can live forever

A copy of you can live forever

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Mon May 02, 2022 10:23 pm

the question is what implications does debating what is conscious and what is not have on whether you can reproduce consciousness on a computer. how does it play in?

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