America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

[macphisto]

wouldn't a hunting rifle or hand gun be just as, if not more effective, for self defense?

Hunting rifle, assuming you're thinking bolt-action rifle, not as maneuverable and slower. Handgun not as powerful.

why on earth would anyone consider recreational shooting more important than the protection of humans? this isn't even part of the bullshit, outdated constitutional argument. its just weirdos playing with guns.

False dichotomy.

a friend of mine actually suggested using a hunting rifle for protection in his house b/c you don't have to be super accurate. it makes sense that it's not as light and easy to use, but it can still be effective. i'm not sure why power comes into this. does a more powerful gun protect you more? or are you talking shooting through walls?

what someone does as a hobby does not trump the safety of the public. i just can't wrap my head around that argument.

I'll catch up on this thread tomorrow, but your friend doesn't know what he's talking about.

[BurtReynolds]

All I'm saying is that violent overthrow of the US government is still very possible. You just have to believe.

To the CIA agent assigned to my case: I'm just kidding.

[Birds in Hell]

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

Gun control is definitely a more practical idea than covid control

Same logic regularly used (as again here) with respect to COVID, but the sensible and relatively modest restrictions imposed by Australian governments inarguably saved many thousands of lives that would otherwise have been lost.

[verb_to_trust]

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

Gun control is definitely a more practical idea than covid control

Same logic regularly used (as again here) with respect to COVID, but the sensible and relatively modest restrictions imposed by Australian governments inarguably saved many thousands of lives that would otherwise have been lost.

Doubt

[Birds in Hell]

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

Gun control is definitely a more practical idea than covid control

Same logic regularly used (as again here) with respect to COVID, but the sensible and relatively modest restrictions imposed by Australian governments inarguably saved many thousands of lives that would otherwise have been lost.

Doubt

I guess it’s just random dumb luck that Australia’s total death count since the beginning of the pandemic (8335) is significantly less than that of many states in the USA.

Just one of those weird, unexplainable things.

[elliseamos]

The CIA/FBI connection has been made (at least to Buffalo, though folks are trying hard to link the Texas kid too).

So much for a reasonable conversation.

Also, John Cornyn to the rescue!

[verb_to_trust]

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

Gun control is definitely a more practical idea than covid control

Same logic regularly used (as again here) with respect to COVID, but the sensible and relatively modest restrictions imposed by Australian governments inarguably saved many thousands of lives that would otherwise have been lost.

Doubt

I guess it’s just random dumb luck that Australia’s total death count since the beginning of the pandemic (8335) is significantly less than that of many states in the USA.

Just one of those weird, unexplainable things.

Could be lots of reasons. Only god knows.

[Mickey]

Oh_my_God_he_admit_it.gif

[elliseamos]

[Bi_3]

Fewer guns. Not none, Mac.
Harder to get guns, but not never, ever can haz.
Reasonable steps to track down the origin of a gun that still will end up being used for horrible purposes.
Hobby people can print away, but will have increased liability if something they make gets used in a bad way.

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

[B]

That perverse logic that says unless a measure is 100% effective in all possible scenarios then it’s pointless is so disingenuous. How can anyone say that kind of garbage and maintain any self-respect?

I'm pretty sure Cruz has no self respect.

[macphisto]

Me hearing doofuses saying you can't fight the US government with assault rifles.

On one hand, they're weapons of war that belong only on a battlefield. On the other hand, they'd do you no good in a war.

[elliseamos]

I'm pretty both things can be true.

Rocks at a knife fight or knives at a gun fight or something...

[E.H. Ruddock]

I mean, random little dicks that buy AR’s to feel tough and who have had no combat training whatsoever would be pretty ineffective against a trained army. So yeah, they would do some people no good

[verb_to_trust]

If our government wants to wage war on us they have already shown how they will do it during the last two years. Guns don't factor.

[spike]

i see our resident shit posting edgelord is back at it.

[macphisto]

If our government wants to wage war on us they have already shown how they will do it during the last two years. Guns don't factor.

Yet things didn't get nearly as draconian here as they did in Australia, and China still. Could an armed populace be the difference?

[macphisto]

I'm pretty both things can be true.

Rocks at a knife fight or knives at a gun fight or something...

I'm pretty sure they're mutually exclusive. Can't have it both ways.

[spike]

If our government wants to wage war on us they have already shown how they will do it during the last two years. Guns don't factor.

Yet things didn't get nearly as draconian here as they did in Australia, and China still. Could an armed populace be the difference?

[macphisto]

Mock me harder, daddy.