Supernormal stimuli
ADDICTION, STIMULATION
Consider these findings from Tinbergen, a researcher who coined the term supernormal stimulus:
Songbirds have light blue and small eggs. The exaggerated, supernormal version of those eggs would be a huge, bright blue dummy egg. When such a dummy is shown to the songbirds, they would abandon their real eggs and instead sit on top of the dummy; they choose the artificial over the real because the artificial is more stimulating.
There's more: the songbirds would feed dummy children over their real children, if the dummies had wider and redder mouths. The children themselves would rather beg food from a dummy mother than the real mother, if the dummy had a more stimulating beak.
Supernormal stimuli are exaggerated versions of the things we evolved to desire. Supernormal stimuli hijack the weak spots in our brains by supplying so much of what we desire that we don't want the boring, real thing anymore. Thus, we act in evolutionarily harmful ways - much like the bird who abandons their eggs. When you can eat pizza, who wants broccoli? When you can have 500 porn stars, who wants a "normal" mate? Why bother with the real life, you have much more fun in the game world, with much less effort.
While there are physical superstimuli, like drugs and junk food, we must be especially careful with digital superstimuli because there is virtually no limit how much stimuli can be pumped into you. A pizza can include only so much fat and salt and other stuff that makes your brain go brrr... But there's no limit as to how stimulating a video or game or virtual world can be. Nature has set no ceilings; it has only determined what we are stimulated by, so we always want more, at all costs.
We're already approaching a point with VR porn and "teledildonics" where one may rather mate the technology than a real person. Some would much rather move a video game character than their real bodies. At some point, we'll maybe create artificial children (perhaps in the metaverse) who simply are much cuter than real babies, and much less trouble. As fewer and fewer people have babies - intentionally or unintentionally - we realize that we aren't much smarter than the birds sitting on huge blue balls instead of their own eggs. As Yudkowsky writes, superstimuli may be the thing that leads to human extinction.
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So it's not all bad news.BurtReynolds wrote:Supernormal stimuli
ADDICTION, STIMULATION
Consider these findings from Tinbergen, a researcher who coined the term supernormal stimulus:
Songbirds have light blue and small eggs. The exaggerated, supernormal version of those eggs would be a huge, bright blue dummy egg. When such a dummy is shown to the songbirds, they would abandon their real eggs and instead sit on top of the dummy; they choose the artificial over the real because the artificial is more stimulating.
There's more: the songbirds would feed dummy children over their real children, if the dummies had wider and redder mouths. The children themselves would rather beg food from a dummy mother than the real mother, if the dummy had a more stimulating beak.
Supernormal stimuli are exaggerated versions of the things we evolved to desire. Supernormal stimuli hijack the weak spots in our brains by supplying so much of what we desire that we don't want the boring, real thing anymore. Thus, we act in evolutionarily harmful ways - much like the bird who abandons their eggs. When you can eat pizza, who wants broccoli? When you can have 500 porn stars, who wants a "normal" mate? Why bother with the real life, you have much more fun in the game world, with much less effort.
While there are physical superstimuli, like drugs and junk food, we must be especially careful with digital superstimuli because there is virtually no limit how much stimuli can be pumped into you. A pizza can include only so much fat and salt and other stuff that makes your brain go brrr... But there's no limit as to how stimulating a video or game or virtual world can be. Nature has set no ceilings; it has only determined what we are stimulated by, so we always want more, at all costs.
We're already approaching a point with VR porn and "teledildonics" where one may rather mate the technology than a real person. Some would much rather move a video game character than their real bodies. At some point, we'll maybe create artificial children (perhaps in the metaverse) who simply are much cuter than real babies, and much less trouble. As fewer and fewer people have babies - intentionally or unintentionally - we realize that we aren't much smarter than the birds sitting on huge blue balls instead of their own eggs. As Yudkowsky writes, superstimuli may be the thing that leads to human extinction.
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Doesn't seem like a new concept, parents have been saying this stuff will rot your brain for decades.
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That Rogan episode any good?BurtReynolds wrote:The machine is taking care of us
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I would play that just for fun.
Think I’m going to try being kind to everyone a chance.
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really sucks that you have to get a $10 DLC if you want to tell him he has cancer.
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The comments were great. Wonder why he turned them off?
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That'll make the flight to Mars easier.
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A new addition to every soldiers kit: vasopressin inhibitors!
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Re: One giant leap
AI convincing Google engineer that it is sentient is a bigger deal than worrying about whether its actually sentient or not.
A suitably advanced AI will convince women that it is a child to be taken care of, men that it's a woman to be taken care of, and children that it's a benevolent parent trying to protect them. No actual sentience required.
A suitably advanced AI will convince women that it is a child to be taken care of, men that it's a woman to be taken care of, and children that it's a benevolent parent trying to protect them. No actual sentience required.
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Engineers are some of the last people on earth who should be judging what constitutes human social behavior

