Transgender Rights

[Dev]

I'm so worried about the trans people that are going to regret it!

[B]

I'm so worried about the trans people that are going to regret it!

That's probably why the trans suicide rate is so high.

[simple schoolboy]

It's much easier to get insurance to pay for a double mastectomy than breast reconstruction.

[Norah]

maybe whether they're going to regret it or not is a discussion that's none of my fucking business

[Bi_3]

I'm so worried about the trans people that are going to regret it!

That's probably why the trans suicide rate is so high.

[Dev]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

[simple schoolboy]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

[Dev]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

[Dev]

Hey, maybe we should gatekeep people from becoming atheist. Some atheist people probably don't realize they are going to hell and aren't ready to make a decision that big.

[simple schoolboy]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

Medical interventions are largely gatekept. You can't generally walk up to a surgeon and get a lung removed after self IDing as a one lunged person. If you've become a libertarian all of the sudden and believe that medical treatment should be entirely patient directed than good for you, I guess.

There's a grey area for social transition in minors I'll grant.

The medical establishment: you must have thousands enrolled in double blind studies and spend billions of dollars before a new medication is approved.

Trans community: I self ID as the opposite gender.

The medical establishment: no need for studies, self ID is far more reliable than any of that study business, what medical intervention would you like today?

[Dev]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

Medical interventions are largely gatekept. You can't generally walk up to a surgeon and get a lung removed after self IDing as a one lunged person. If you've become a libertarian all of the sudden and believe that medical treatment should be entirely patient directed than good for you, I guess.

There's a grey area for social transition in minors I'll grant.

The medical establishment: you must have thousands enrolled in double blind studies and spend billions of dollars before a new medication is approved.

Trans community: I self ID as the opposite gender.

The medical establishment: no need for studies, self ID is far more reliable than any of that study business, what medical intervention would you like today?

So seems like the moral issue for you is people doing harm to themselves. If so why not take the same interest in meth addicts, for example?

[simple schoolboy]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

Medical interventions are largely gatekept. You can't generally walk up to a surgeon and get a lung removed after self IDing as a one lunged person. If you've become a libertarian all of the sudden and believe that medical treatment should be entirely patient directed than good for you, I guess.

There's a grey area for social transition in minors I'll grant.

The medical establishment: you must have thousands enrolled in double blind studies and spend billions of dollars before a new medication is approved.

Trans community: I self ID as the opposite gender.

The medical establishment: no need for studies, self ID is far more reliable than any of that study business, what medical intervention would you like today?

So seems like the moral issue for you is people doing harm to themselves. If so why not take the same interest in meth addicts, for example?

I have the same interest in Meth addicts and the severely mentally ill, but the issue is not so much harm as competency/ agency. If the Meth addicts are so out of their mind they can't be considered to have agency the state should step in.

If a 25 year old is adamant they are trans, go nuts on surgeries so long as they don't immediately go on SSDI as a result of said surgeries.

If state agencies are pushing particular treatment options on minors without parental consent, those minors need to be emancipated through the normal court process. Experiencing dysphoria is not a basis for emancipation by itself.

The harm concern comes from the total lack of normal procedures for treatment, not the specifics of treatment. Do trans suicides go down after surgery? We only have very murky numbers on this and no strong signals either way.

[Peeps]

just curious

can anyone tell me how treating transgenders like we treat other people affects them for one minute of their miserable day?

[B]

Do trans suicides go down after surgery?

JAMA says yes, but the doctors at the Heritage Foundation disagree.

[simple schoolboy]

Do trans suicides go down after surgery?

JAMA says yes, but the doctors at the Heritage Foundation disagree.

I don't think anyone has very good data on this.

[B]

I honestly don't know the numbers, but gender affirmation is suicide prevention.

[Bi_3]

I honestly don't know the numbers, but gender affirmation is suicide prevention.

Saving this. Essential to understanding everything

[Dev]

I honestly don't know the numbers, but gender affirmation is suicide prevention.

Saving this. Essential to understanding everything

Good post! Indicates you essentially understand nothing!

[Dev]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

Medical interventions are largely gatekept. You can't generally walk up to a surgeon and get a lung removed after self IDing as a one lunged person. If you've become a libertarian all of the sudden and believe that medical treatment should be entirely patient directed than good for you, I guess.

There's a grey area for social transition in minors I'll grant.

The medical establishment: you must have thousands enrolled in double blind studies and spend billions of dollars before a new medication is approved.

Trans community: I self ID as the opposite gender.

The medical establishment: no need for studies, self ID is far more reliable than any of that study business, what medical intervention would you like today?

So seems like the moral issue for you is people doing harm to themselves. If so why not take the same interest in meth addicts, for example?

I have the same interest in Meth addicts and the severely mentally ill, but the issue is not so much harm as competency/ agency. If the Meth addicts are so out of their mind they can't be considered to have agency the state should step in.

If a 25 year old is adamant they are trans, go nuts on surgeries so long as they don't immediately go on SSDI as a result of said surgeries.

If state agencies are pushing particular treatment options on minors without parental consent, those minors need to be emancipated through the normal court process. Experiencing dysphoria is not a basis for emancipation by itself.

The harm concern comes from the total lack of normal procedures for treatment, not the specifics of treatment. Do trans suicides go down after surgery? We only have very murky numbers on this and no strong signals either way.

I am not seeing the same interest and attention being given to meth addicts or other people hurting themselves. This is a very politicized issue for mysterious reasons. For that matter, it would be absurd and unethical to attempt to police people who are potentially hurting themselves due to issues of competentcy/agency. I think the only issue we really need to explore is people are so upset about trans people gaining rights. Do you even know a single trans person? Because I do know people who have transitioned and seem to be in a better place now. They are living their truths. Stop trying to stand in the way of that because of your own inherent perversions.

[simple schoolboy]

Many trans regret this and commit suicide that is the biggest reason we have to fight this. They are brainsashing our kids to be trans so that our kids commit suicide because the woke are necrophiliacs.

This is a great take on the objection to this, you are very good at understanding the position your political opponents actually take.

How about: the loudest trans activists that are happy with their transition felt that the system held them back from becoming their true selves and reject any and all gatekeeping.

Their interest lies in those harmed by gatekeeping, all other considerations are secondary.

Their opposition suggests some level of gatekeeping is appropriate, especially for minors. When co-morbidities are present it might be wise to pump the brakes a bit and not immediately go to social/ medical transition.

The current zeitgeist is: if you don't feel comfortable in your own skin, you're trans. Maybe you have other stuff going on and that alternate gender ID affirmation shouldn't be step one as so many organizations are embracing whole heartedly.

What other types of gatekeeping are you in favor of? Maybe we should gatekeep people from having homosexual relationships too? Maybe those people also don't know what they are doing and there could be dire consequences?

Medical interventions are largely gatekept. You can't generally walk up to a surgeon and get a lung removed after self IDing as a one lunged person. If you've become a libertarian all of the sudden and believe that medical treatment should be entirely patient directed than good for you, I guess.

There's a grey area for social transition in minors I'll grant.

The medical establishment: you must have thousands enrolled in double blind studies and spend billions of dollars before a new medication is approved.

Trans community: I self ID as the opposite gender.

The medical establishment: no need for studies, self ID is far more reliable than any of that study business, what medical intervention would you like today?

So seems like the moral issue for you is people doing harm to themselves. If so why not take the same interest in meth addicts, for example?

I have the same interest in Meth addicts and the severely mentally ill, but the issue is not so much harm as competency/ agency. If the Meth addicts are so out of their mind they can't be considered to have agency the state should step in.

If a 25 year old is adamant they are trans, go nuts on surgeries so long as they don't immediately go on SSDI as a result of said surgeries.

If state agencies are pushing particular treatment options on minors without parental consent, those minors need to be emancipated through the normal court process. Experiencing dysphoria is not a basis for emancipation by itself.

The harm concern comes from the total lack of normal procedures for treatment, not the specifics of treatment. Do trans suicides go down after surgery? We only have very murky numbers on this and no strong signals either way.

I am not seeing the same interest and attention being given to meth addicts or other people hurting themselves. This is a very politicized issue for mysterious reasons. For that matter, it would be absurd and unethical to attempt to police people who are potentially hurting themselves due to issues of competentcy/agency. I think the only issue we really need to explore is people are so upset about trans people gaining rights. Do you even know a single trans person? Because I do know people who have transitioned and seem to be in a better place now. They are living their truths. Stop trying to stand in the way of that because of your own inherent perversions.

Is there something wrong with the expectation that the state not kidnap your child in order to perform medical interventions that have not been studied very well?

Hey kid, congrats on your self-ID. We'll help you do something about that when your brain is slightly more mature. Puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are not reversible and will result in mentally stunted adults with who knows what medical complications. Seems like medical malpractice.