Transgender Rights

[Rob]

Where the fuck is _tree when you need him.

[Mickey]

As a rule I simply do not care about the participation trophies handed out to future McKinsey analysts. And more broadly, any real harm you could point to with (hypothetical, at this point) trans women "dominating" college sports (not something that has happened) is a subordinate problem to the larger issue of college access and upward mobility in America. So I think making sports the focal point of this debate is a mug's game, and one I'm not interested in playing. I don't think that's incompatible with being concerned about how to best institute trans inclusion more broadly. At all stages, though, the question should not be "Should we include trans people?" (obviously yes) but "How can we best restructure society to include trans people?"

[Rob]

As a rule I simply do not care about the participation trophies handed out to future McKinsey analysts. And more broadly, any real harm you could point to with (hypothetical, at this point) trans women "dominating" college sports (not something that has happened) is a subordinate problem to the larger issue of college access and upward mobility in America. So I think making sports the focal point of this debate is a mug's game, and one I'm not interested in playing. I don't think that's incompatible with being concerned about how to best institute trans inclusion more broadly. At all stages, though, the question should not be "Should we include trans people?" (obviously yes) but "How can we best restructure society to include trans people?"

This is a really smart answer that I’m not sure goes anywhere. Who are you talking to here (besides me, obv)? That swimmer story didn’t interest me but it was all over the place for quite a bit. It’s not the first story like that. I know you understand that sports are a fucking huge deal in America, whether they are to you or not.

[Mickey]

Yeah I'm literally only talking to you

[Mickey]

N&D is broadly populated by ghouls and morons, I have no interest in talking trans rights with any of them.

[Rob]

Well, someone is going to have to come up with a good reason for why that swimmer should have been there. I didn’t touch this debate when it was happening because… so many bad takes. But it’s a canary in the coal mine. The “T” in lgbt present a unique set of challenges.

[Rob]

N&D is broadly populated by ghouls and morons, I have no interest in talking trans rights with any of them.

Love you bro. Never change.

[Dev]

Homeschool your kids.

You've literally become a Hutterite lol

[Dev]

What would you guys say is the bigger problem here, people who transitioned regreting it and committing suicide, or trans people winning all of the sports competitions?

[Rob]

That feels like a trick question. They are both things to discuss, along with the people who don’t transition and regret it.

[Bammer]

That feels like a trick question. They are both things to discuss, along with the people who don’t transition and regret it.

Yep but I’m still waiting for someone to answer my question from a while back: In high school why did they allow girls to wrestle on the boys team but wouldn’t let boys play volleyball on the girls team?

[BurtReynolds]

Homeschool your kids.

You've literally become a Hutterite lol

A happy, thriving people? How terrible!

[Higgs]

That feels like a trick question. They are both things to discuss, along with the people who don’t transition and regret it.

Yep but I’m still waiting for someone to answer my question from a while back: In high school why did they allow girls to wrestle on the boys team but wouldn’t let boys play volleyball on the girls team?

Wait up - are you telling me if I was at your high school and on the wrestling team I could have wrestled against girls?? Woah. Sign me up for a whole heap of very happy losses!

[Higgs]

Now I have a second to consider it, probs not the perfect thread for my little fantasy post there. Oh well.

[Dev]

Homeschool your kids.

You've literally become a Hutterite lol

A happy, thriving people? How terrible!

lol I think the problem is you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Isolating your children from society is deplorable. They don't exactly let you come and go as you please. Obviously they have plenty of their own issues sometimes including human rights violations. The new right wing homeschool your kids thing is another new low point with you guys. "Thriving"

[BurtReynolds]

Homeschool your kids.

You've literally become a Hutterite lol

A happy, thriving people? How terrible!

lol I think the problem is you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Isolating your children from society is deplorable. They don't exactly let you come and go as you please. Obviously they have plenty of their own issues sometimes including human rights violations. The new right wing homeschool your kids thing is another new low point with you guys. "Thriving"

You live in an igloo. Do not talk to me about society, Canadian.

[Dev]

Homeschool your kids.

You've literally become a Hutterite lol

A happy, thriving people? How terrible!

lol I think the problem is you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Isolating your children from society is deplorable. They don't exactly let you come and go as you please. Obviously they have plenty of their own issues sometimes including human rights violations. The new right wing homeschool your kids thing is another new low point with you guys. "Thriving"

You live in an igloo. Do not talk to me about society, Canadian.

I have been on a Hutterite colony. Have you? I do an unreal Hutterite impersonation.

[BurtReynolds]

Salt of the earth.

[B]

Well, someone is going to have to come up with a good reason for why that swimmer should have been there. I didn’t touch this debate when it was happening because… so many bad takes. But it’s a canary in the coal mine. The “T” in lgbt present a unique set of challenges.

Because there are already all types of women. We're so worried about trans women competing in sports they've blocked Sydney McLaughlin from competing in events. If you ban trans women, how do you treat women born XY with internal testes who were raised as women? Or women with unusually high testosterone? We made up the concept of gender, so we can unmake it.

Maybe in the future utopia where trans women are so well accepted into society that we've welcomed them into all women's sports, and they've cornered all of the records, we could probably revisit our decision.

[B]

What would you guys say is the bigger problem here, people who transitioned regreting it and committing suicide, or trans people winning all of the sports competitions?

Do we suspect that a person who transitioned from one gender to the other is so unable to imagine transitioning back that they'd commit suicide? Maybe in a world where people are so transphobic that they accuse them of just switching gender willy-nilly to gain advantage.

The solution isn't to block trans kids from transitioning. The solution to openly discuss gender and support people who are questioning their gender in the fullest way possible.

Should we lop off the dicks of 6 year olds who like to wear dresses? No, but that was really only a problem in one anecdotal story and Bi's nightmares in the first place.