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Goodfellas
2
22%
Heat
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56%
Tombstone
2
22%
 
Total votes: 9

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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Tombstone is better than Heat. I agree, on an objective level, Goodfellas is tough to beat.

Out of the modern westerns (1985 onwards), Tombstone is one of the very best.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:Tombstone is better than Heat. I agree, on an objective level, Goodfellas is tough to beat.

Out of the modern westerns (1985 onwards), Tombstone is one of the very best.
Out of all movies of all genres, of all time, Heat is one of the very best
I can’t agree with that. It’s pretty good.
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Top five Michael Mann movies:

1. The Last Of The Mohicans
2. The Insider
3. Collateral
4. Heat
5. Miami Vice

Top five De Niro movies:
1. The Godfather Part 2
2. The Deer Hunter
3. Goodfellas
4. Once Upon A Time In America
5. Taxi Driver

Top five Pacino movies:
1. The Godfather
2. The Godfather Part 2
3. Scarface
4. Carlito’s Way
5. Donnie Brasco
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Anders wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:Tombstone is better than Heat. I agree, on an objective level, Goodfellas is tough to beat.

Out of the modern westerns (1985 onwards), Tombstone is one of the very best.
Out of all movies of all genres, of all time, Heat is one of the very best
I can’t agree with that. It’s pretty good.
Which thread were you posting in when you watched Heat?
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Mickey wrote:
Anders wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:Tombstone is better than Heat. I agree, on an objective level, Goodfellas is tough to beat.

Out of the modern westerns (1985 onwards), Tombstone is one of the very best.
Out of all movies of all genres, of all time, Heat is one of the very best
I can’t agree with that. It’s pretty good.
Which thread were you posting in when you watched Heat?
I think these comments are getting a bit silly now, and not funny.

I’ve seen Heat three times, and my opinion of it has nothing to do with not paying attention to it.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, plot, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.

Goodfellas is much the same.

I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
I agree that Heat is very well made movie. Nevertheless, the acting in Tombstone, the relationships between the characters, the detail in dialogue, costumes, guns, historical accuracy, makes it a true standalone movie. One which had been carefully studied by many directors. Also Val Kilmer’s role is far and away better than any performance in Heat. The climax of the movie is delivered with a greater pathos than anything Heat is close to.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, plot, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.

Goodfellas is much the same.

I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
I agree that Heat is very well made movie. Nevertheless, the acting in Tombstone, the relationships between the characters, the detail in dialogue, costumes, guns, historical accuracy, makes it a true standalone movie. One which had been carefully studied by many directors. Also Val Kilmer’s role is far and away better than any performance in Heat. The climax of the movie is delivered with a greater pathos than anything Heat is close to.
Oh my god Anders!Heat has one of the best film climaxes of all time!
I could say the same for Tombstone, but I don’t feel that way about Heat. I do however really like the opening of Heat.
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With that said, filming techniques is not what gets my pulse going. A great story, great acting, great suspense (or humor if that kind of movie), and a great plot does.
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All three are great movies. I'm just in a Heat kick right now. Go with Heat so we can share in the kick
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:The only thing that keeps Goodfellas a notch below Heat is time. It’s techniques have been so widely replicated now that I’m skeptical it would feel as impactful for user dad because he’s seen some of its tricks employed elsewhere since.
I feel like you’re giving me way too much credit here. I’m not that perceptive. I appreciate it though.
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Tombstone a step beneath the other two. Goodfellas is the most fun to watch.
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tragabigzanda wrote:The only thing that keeps Goodfellas a notch below Heat is time. It’s techniques have been so widely replicated now that I’m skeptical it would feel as impactful for user dad because he’s seen some of its tricks employed elsewhere since.
I feel like you’re giving me way too much credit here. I’m not that perceptive. I appreciate it though.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the movie you choose.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:With that said, filming techniques is not what gets my pulse going. A great story, great acting, great suspense (or humor if that kind of movie), and a great plot does.
Yeah I think this is a fair place to land. Different things to value in these movies. The story in Heat is also great, but it’s a bit dense and impenetrable; Tombstone is maybe more immediately satisfying in that regard.
Agreed.
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