Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[VinylGuy]

yeah, thats the best part.

[Huell]

Bless him and the story to this album, but Billy is an absolute self obsessed narcissist. The way he keeps referring to his standing of one of the greatest or accredited songwriters of his generation only to get to the point of how his interviewee has persevered… it’s Alan Partridge level stuff. The story of the album is essentially how Billy has been wronged, does not get the credit he deserves from the music business and how pure he is while navigating all the nasties.

I say this as someone who has followed all the latter day output and find him fascinating as an artist.

PS CYR is a really good album, it took me a while to come round to it but there are some lovely hooks and tunes in it.

[Ello Sailor]

Agree with all of the above. Dude is a massive douche who just happens to write amazing music. Even Cyr has grown on me a ton.

[VinylGuy]

well, he really had a very tough upbringing. Like super tough. But yeah, he has been battling always with being the better song writer of his generation, the most lovable from the band. etc

he seems super mad with his 90s peers too.

[liebzz]

Giving the new one a proper listen. I mostly agree with the comments above and it always makes me approach his albums with a bit of hesitation- like is this the time the bottom will drop out and I’ll have had enough. So far so decent.

[VinylGuy]

I havent listened to Cyr again. I probably should.

And im taking my time to come back to Vol 1. I was so bored with it, i only listened once.

[i got bugs]

I dont think I heard a good sp song since the tarantula album

Still stand by this after hearing vol 1

The shittiest 90s throwaway track is infinitely better than the best track post tarantula album

[lecherouslittlestump]

I can't think of another band where I absolutely love their early stuff but absolutely hate everything after.

It's not like Pearl Jam where I enjoy the new stuff but prefer the old stuff.

Or like U2 where I don't like the new stuff but there are a few diamonds in the rough.

I have a seething deep loathing of everything post-Adore (bar one or two tracks off Machina)

[VinylGuy]

yeah i understand that feeling.

I still feel Zeitgeist is really good, and then most of the stuff sounds ok to me, sometimes the production is impossible tough.

I really like Shiny.

[Ello Sailor]

Shiny has some good songs, but any album that opens with Billy going "woew woew woew woewww" is fighting an uphill battle.

[VinylGuy]

i think its their best record since Zeitgeist, sounds very good, clearly Rubin is behind it to fight Billy and it only has 8 songs!

Ello did you make a best of SP from Zeitgeist to now?

[Ello Sailor]

Ello did you make a best of SP from Zeitgeist to now?

Not yet. I have a feeling you'd hate mine. It'd have Starz on it.

[Ello Sailor]

and it would have a lot of Cyr

[Ello Sailor]

(I can't help it!)

[VinylGuy]

i need to get back to Cyr. Maybe soon.

Starz ugh. Ill see if i can put that Zeitgeist remixed stuff you posted to see what happens with that one.

[Ello Sailor]

I dont think I heard a good sp song since the tarantula album

Still stand by this after hearing vol 1

The shittiest 90s throwaway track is infinitely better than the best track post tarantula album

Okay, what about "Solara" and "Marchin' On"? They kinda sound Zeitgeist-ish.

[Ello Sailor]

Bugs insisting on calling it "Tarantula album" is one of my favorite things.

[VinylGuy]

Marchin On sounds like something from Machina.

[Ello Sailor]

Definitely not. The mixing is too far removed, for one.

[i got bugs]

Bugs insisting on calling it "Tarantula album" is one of my favorite things.

I was too lazy to even Google it