America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

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Who cares if the shooter is white, black, purple, male, female, other, caucasian, african american, asian, etc..


What all of the shooters have in common: guns.
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Yep.
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none of those people had the heroic founders the US did, who created the second amendment to guarantee our freedom to kill children in school
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who all had copy cat call in today at their local schools?
Did the Mother Fucker pay extra to yell?
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I find all this energy about feature bans totally misplaced when this is the reality of enforcement in many US cities:
Progressive DAs seem to think criminals with lengthy rap sheets are just about the only people with a right to effective self defense.
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You deal with the NRA and we will deal with the progressive DAs. Together, we can. :luv:
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Coach wrote:You deal with the NRA and we will deal with the progressive DAs. Together, we can. :luv:
The NRA is greatly weakened. More aggressive gun rights groups are the ones driving legal challenges these days.
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simple schoolboy wrote:
Coach wrote:You deal with the NRA and we will deal with the progressive DAs. Together, we can. :luv:
The NRA is greatly weakened. More aggressive gun rights groups are the ones driving legal challenges these days.
are those groups also funding campaigns for politicians?
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simple schoolboy wrote:I find all this energy about feature bans totally misplaced when this is the reality of enforcement in many US cities:
Progressive DAs seem to think criminals with lengthy rap sheets are just about the only people with a right to effective self defense.
"Because the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences lost its accreditation in 2021, prosecutors have to pay to have evidence for DNA, firearm and fingerprint analysis sent to outside laboratories, Graves said. Prosecutors, he said, prioritize doing so for violent offenses.

“We are now entering year three of DFS being shut down without any clear plan of coming back online,” Graves said. “We have to prioritize violent felonies and make sure we are doing the forensic testing for those cases. Our office is often bearing the cost for this analysis.”"

The article explains that 87% of violent felonies are prosecuted.
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blueviper wrote:Who cares if the shooter is white, black, purple, male, female, other, caucasian, african american, asian, etc..


What all of the shooters have in common: guns.

According to the graph on this page there are 1.2 guns for every 1 person. So while removing guns is the only way to solve shootings completely, getting guns out of the hands of violent felons (mostly handguns are used in crime) is not a realistic goal. BUT, since the guns themselves aren't pulling the triggers, what we can do is address factors leading up that person making the decision to use the gun on themselves or another and that means looking at cultural elements. If you take it from that approach, then the intersections of the killers matter a lot as different tactics may be required to motivate different groups.

The issue a trans killer in particular is the language and symbolism around trans rights are steeped in violence. Words like 'genocide' are part of the normal vernacular. This primes people for violence and it needs to change. If you think back to 9/11 times, leaders were careful not to use phrases like 'war on islam' because of the risk of inflaming the conflict domestically. We seemed to have forgotten that when it comes to developing the safe and respectful integration of trans people into society.
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elliseamos wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:I find all this energy about feature bans totally misplaced when this is the reality of enforcement in many US cities:
Progressive DAs seem to think criminals with lengthy rap sheets are just about the only people with a right to effective self defense.
"Because the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences lost its accreditation in 2021, prosecutors have to pay to have evidence for DNA, firearm and fingerprint analysis sent to outside laboratories, Graves said. Prosecutors, he said, prioritize doing so for violent offenses.

“We are now entering year three of DFS being shut down without any clear plan of coming back online,” Graves said. “We have to prioritize violent felonies and make sure we are doing the forensic testing for those cases. Our office is often bearing the cost for this analysis.”"

The article explains that 87% of violent felonies are prosecuted.
Are illegal possession of a firearm arrests violent crime? IIRC there was some quote from the DA in Philly about how he didnt think illegal possession was worth prosecuting. I think what Schoolboy was getting at is that law enforcement isn't doing much to stop felons before they commit crimes.
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Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:Who cares if the shooter is white, black, purple, male, female, other, caucasian, african american, asian, etc..


What all of the shooters have in common: guns.

According to the graph on this page there are 1.2 guns for every 1 person. So while removing guns is the only way to solve shootings completely, getting guns out of the hands of violent felons (mostly handguns are used in crime) is not a realistic goal. BUT, since the guns themselves aren't pulling the triggers, what we can do is address factors leading up that person making the decision to use the gun on themselves or another and that means looking at cultural elements. If you take it from that approach, then the intersections of the killers matter a lot as different tactics may be required to motivate different groups.

The issue a trans killer in particular is the language and symbolism around trans rights are steeped in violence. Words like 'genocide' are part of the normal vernacular. This primes people for violence and it needs to change. If you think back to 9/11 times, leaders were careful not to use phrases like 'war on islam' because of the risk of inflaming the conflict domestically. We seemed to have forgotten that when it comes to developing the safe and respectful integration of trans people into society.
It’s amazing we’re at a point where eradicating all evil and hate is considered potentially easier than any sort of attempt at gun control.
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Bi_3 wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:I find all this energy about feature bans totally misplaced when this is the reality of enforcement in many US cities:
Progressive DAs seem to think criminals with lengthy rap sheets are just about the only people with a right to effective self defense.
"Because the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences lost its accreditation in 2021, prosecutors have to pay to have evidence for DNA, firearm and fingerprint analysis sent to outside laboratories, Graves said. Prosecutors, he said, prioritize doing so for violent offenses.

“We are now entering year three of DFS being shut down without any clear plan of coming back online,” Graves said. “We have to prioritize violent felonies and make sure we are doing the forensic testing for those cases. Our office is often bearing the cost for this analysis.”"

The article explains that 87% of violent felonies are prosecuted.
Are illegal possession of a firearm arrests violent crime? IIRC there was some quote from the DA in Philly about how he didnt think illegal possession was worth prosecuting. I think what Schoolboy was getting at is that law enforcement isn't doing much to stop felons before they commit crimes.
I don't know why you would need lab evidence to convict someone of simple possession. If they are on probation for a felony, their probation could be revoked for merely being in the presence of a firearm, or even ammunition (in case it's in a car and not on one individual person). There are plenty of tools to get prior offenders back into jail when they are found with a gun, but they choose to not do so in the name of equity.
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NC Leg overrode the Governor's veto on eliminating handgun registration and allowing guns in churches that contain schools yesterday. It's not a great look.
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B wrote:NC Leg overrode the Governor's veto on eliminating handgun registration and allowing guns in churches that contain schools yesterday. It's not a great look.
Clearly a prohibition on guns inside schools would have prevented the Nashville shooting. People intent on murder and suicide really hate the possibility of criminal charges.
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Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:Who cares if the shooter is white, black, purple, male, female, other, caucasian, african american, asian, etc..


What all of the shooters have in common: guns.

According to the graph on this page there are 1.2 guns for every 1 person. So while removing guns is the only way to solve shootings completely, getting guns out of the hands of violent felons (mostly handguns are used in crime) is not a realistic goal. BUT, since the guns themselves aren't pulling the triggers, what we can do is address factors leading up that person making the decision to use the gun on themselves or another and that means looking at cultural elements. If you take it from that approach, then the intersections of the killers matter a lot as different tactics may be required to motivate different groups.

The issue a trans killer in particular is the language and symbolism around trans rights are steeped in violence. Words like 'genocide' are part of the normal vernacular. This primes people for violence and it needs to change. If you think back to 9/11 times, leaders were careful not to use phrases like 'war on islam' because of the risk of inflaming the conflict domestically. We seemed to have forgotten that when it comes to developing the safe and respectful integration of trans people into society.
maybe we should stop making guns since we already have too many?
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warehouse wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:Who cares if the shooter is white, black, purple, male, female, other, caucasian, african american, asian, etc..


What all of the shooters have in common: guns.

According to the graph on this page there are 1.2 guns for every 1 person. So while removing guns is the only way to solve shootings completely, getting guns out of the hands of violent felons (mostly handguns are used in crime) is not a realistic goal. BUT, since the guns themselves aren't pulling the triggers, what we can do is address factors leading up that person making the decision to use the gun on themselves or another and that means looking at cultural elements. If you take it from that approach, then the intersections of the killers matter a lot as different tactics may be required to motivate different groups.

The issue a trans killer in particular is the language and symbolism around trans rights are steeped in violence. Words like 'genocide' are part of the normal vernacular. This primes people for violence and it needs to change. If you think back to 9/11 times, leaders were careful not to use phrases like 'war on islam' because of the risk of inflaming the conflict domestically. We seemed to have forgotten that when it comes to developing the safe and respectful integration of trans people into society.
maybe we should stop making guns since we already have too many?
Like buy out the manufacturers and sue the ever-loving shit out of any new ones that rise?
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The red line represents when Republicans refused to extend the assault weapons ban.

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We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
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