Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

[Jorge]

This is just one of the many parallels between Trump and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

[Bi_3]

Do we know the charges or is all just misdemeanor 'Business Fraud'?

[VinylGuy]

cant understand why the trump haters are so happy

this seems almost a publicity stunt for him

Just enjoy him being treated like the criminal he is for today. I’m sure this will all backfire.

yeah, but him being the first president to be in custody, you are kinda cementing his legacy as a martyr

a martyr for what cause?

i mean you chose! any cause.

[VinylGuy]

This is just one of the many parallels between Trump and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

there is something there yeah, specially with both of them actually being persecuted when it never happened before. I consider them to be very different but there is something there for sure.

[JuanHamm]

cant understand why the trump haters are so happy

this seems almost a publicity stunt for him

Just enjoy him being treated like the criminal he is for today. I’m sure this will all backfire.

yeah, but him being the first president to be in custody, you are kinda cementing his legacy as a martyr

a martyr for what cause?

i mean you chose! any cause.

Being a cunt?

[VinylGuy]

ah, i see

[McParadigm]

Do we know the charges or is all just misdemeanor 'Business Fraud'?

I know shit about this subject, but I do have Google (and I’ve slept in a Holiday Inn)…so I’m basically an expert.

A New York firm that helps defend people against these specific charges describe it this way on their client-facing site…

Simply, if you delete, alter or make a false entry in the business records of an enterprise and you do so with the intent to defraud, you have run afoul of the misdemeanor crime. If when you do so, you also have the intent to further or conceal another criminal offense, then you have committed the felony crime.

So I guess my expectation is that the answer to your question is found in the headline “indicted on 34 felony counts.”

The degree to which that assumption on my part proves incorrect will, I suppose, be known soon enough.

[doug rr]

I am a law idiot as well but I did see that first degree counts are felony

[Bi_3]

Do we know the charges or is all just misdemeanor 'Business Fraud'?

I know shit about this subject, but I do have Google (and I’ve slept in a Holiday Inn)…so I’m basically an expert.

A New York firm that helps defend people against these specific charges describe it this way on their client-facing site…

Simply, if you delete, alter or make a false entry in the business records of an enterprise and you do so with the intent to defraud, you have run afoul of the misdemeanor crime. If when you do so, you also have the intent to further or conceal another criminal offense, then you have committed the felony crime.

So I guess my expectation is that the answer to your question is found in the headline “indicted on 34 felony counts.”

The degree to which that assumption on my part proves incorrect will, I suppose, be known soon enough.

If you can google, you probably saw this: https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-i ... arges.html

In New York, falsifying business records can amount to a crime, albeit a misdemeanor. To elevate the crime to a felony charge, Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors must show that Mr. Trump’s “intent to defraud” included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime.

In this case, that second crime could be a violation of election law. While hush money is not inherently illegal, the prosecutors could argue that the $130,000 payout effectively became an improper donation to Mr. Trump’s campaign, under the theory that it benefited his candidacy because it silenced Ms. Daniels.

Which is where the question comes from... because another crime would need to be added, "conspiracy", to elevate the business fraud to felonies.

[tree_]

Don't we have actual lawyers on this board who could explain it to us like we're 5 years old? ChrisH_2?

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[doug rr]

Don't we have actual lawyers on this board who could explain it to us like we're 5 years old? ChrisH_2?

he mostly deals in babysitter law

and cheats at golf like trump

[Coach]

The news reports indicate it's felony charges. Similar thing that Cohen pleaded guilty to.

[Bi_3]

The news reports indicate it's felony charges. Similar thing that Cohen pleaded guilty to.

Looks like we'll know for sure in 30 mins.

[Coach]

My overall take is that this is relatively minor, but if you do enough shady things in life over the course of 70+ years on this planet, shit's bound to catch up to you.

[Chris_H_2]

it's not minor in the sense that he's virtually pardon-proof in new york.

[Chris_H_2]

Don't we have actual lawyers on this board who could explain it to us like we're 5 years old? ChrisH_2?

he mostly deals in babysitter law

and cheats at golf like trump

[Coach]

it's not minor in the sense that he's virtually pardon-proof in new york.

I tried to couch that w/ "relatively" but understand what you're saying.

[spike]

My overall take is that this is relatively minor, but if you do enough shady things in life over the course of 70+ years on this planet, shit's bound to catch up to you.

*2016-17 on this planet

He gave Cohen the hush money, it violated the campaign donation cap, they conspired to claim it as payment for legal fees, and conspired to report it as income for Cohen. I feel like I’m missing something else in there, but that’s enough for felony charges.

[McParadigm]

MTG, Eric, and Junior have all posted photos of the judge’s daughter on social media today. Seems like a real clever move.