What movies are you watching?

[epilogue]

am i wrong to collapse albini and bourdain into the same dude

yes

describe albini and describe bourdain.

i see two highly cynical, highly independent, smart dudes w lots of niche success which they built into commercial success, w fairly self-contradictory political instincts, a penchant for cruelty, to themselves and others, an inability to suffer fools, people who are obsessed w process.

my instinct is that you like bourdain and dislike the kinds of people who dislike albini. but i gotta say, i dont see much distance between any of them.

You think I dislike people who dislike Albini?

[Ello Sailor]

Albini is a cringey chode. Bourdain may have been a little pretentious at times, but his content was always outstanding. RIP to the homie.

[bart]

sounds like someone hasn’t heard a little album called razorblade suitcase

[BurtReynolds]

One is alive and the other is dead

[E.H. Ruddock]

sounds like someone hasn’t heard a little album called razorblade suitcase

[VinylGuy]

Tony had a great sense of humor, and he also had that self deprecation view that i liked. He also had empathy.

[tree_]

Maybe if you guys actually watched the outstanding documentary you'd know at least one of them better, and be able to differentiate more clearly between the two. Just maybe.

[Ello Sailor]

Implying there's more than one person struggling to differentiate them.

[tree_]

Implying there's more than one person struggling to differentiate them.

I counted at least two

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I've seen "I hate Albini" shirts. I've never seen "I hate Bourdain" on a shirt.

[tree_]

am i wrong to collapse albini and bourdain into the same dude

yes

describe albini and describe bourdain.

i see two highly cynical, highly independent, smart dudes w lots of niche success which they built into commercial success, w fairly self-contradictory political instincts, a penchant for cruelty, to themselves and others, an inability to suffer fools, people who are obsessed w process.

I’ll push back on “Albini had commercial success.” He’s actively rejected it; all his financial success is still very niche, and generally grounded in an anti-capitalist mindset.

Dang he sounds cool too. Does he also have a documentary, or does he have to commit suicide first?

[Anders]

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Malloy]

am i wrong to collapse albini and bourdain into the same dude

yes

describe albini and describe bourdain.

i see two highly cynical, highly independent, smart dudes w lots of niche success which they built into commercial success, w fairly self-contradictory political instincts, a penchant for cruelty, to themselves and others, an inability to suffer fools, people who are obsessed w process.

my instinct is that you like bourdain and dislike the kinds of people who dislike albini. but i gotta say, i dont see much distance between any of them.

You think I dislike people who dislike Albini?

that's what I wrote.

as I see it you have three options.

1. make an argument on why they are dissimilar, which could include responding to mine.

2. tell me why I'm mistaken that you in fact like or are agnostic re: self-consciously contrarian types, which I've said bourdain and albini are. my thinking is because you've never really presented in this overwhelming negative way (always affirmation, sincerity and kindness with you), you may not have much patience for it.

3. ignore what I've written, or answer a question with a question

[Malloy]

Tony had a great sense of humor, and he also had that self deprecation view that i liked. He also had empathy.

alibni has at least two of three

[tree_]

This should be like an SNL skit; Albini or Bourdain?

What was that I'm thinking of? Mulroney or mulphoney?

[Malloy]

After reading this I can't tell them apart.

one of those descriptions makes no attempt at a qualitative assessment of personality, while the other does, even if it's only a few sentences.

i'm not saying they have the same cv, which is all these two texts help establish.

the two descriptions you cite are as useful to understanding both guys as dividing one's attention while watching a movie. at best, you get a partial understanding. at worst, misunderstanding becomes fact.

[tree_]

All I know is Malloy is at least twice as smart as I am.

[Malloy]

Albini is a cringey chode. Bourdain may have been a little pretentious at times, but his content was always outstanding. RIP to the homie.

have you read any of tony's books? because he was absolutely an asshole. the latter-day, saint tony tamps down a lot of that, in a television program he writes, produces, edits and directs.