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I vanquished the prick.


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Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?
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tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
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tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?
No, anybody of any age can be respectful of others.
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dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
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tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.
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elliseamos wrote:For the record I stand with Ms. Harmless.
elliseamos wrote: No, anybody of any age can be respectful of others.
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Those being disrespectful of Ms. Harmless should choose differently.
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JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
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Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.
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JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.
The reason this is such a contentious issue is that I could go to the gym today, walk right into the womens locker room with naked women showering, join them and assert that I am pre-op trans woman and if anyone gets upset I’m in there, I’m the victim now.
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I don’t think anyone should be naked in front of others, ever. What’s the difference what parts someone has if they’re staring at your naked body?
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Bammer wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.
The reason this is such a contentious issue is that I could go to the gym today, walk right into the womens locker room with naked women showering, join them and assert that I am pre-op trans woman and if anyone gets upset I’m in there, I’m the victim now.
I think you both need to seek therapy regarding your puritanical belief that there's something inherently shameful or wrong about a naked human.
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JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.

And you are free to feel that way of course, but recognize that you are creating a problem by forcing children to do what you think is best against their wishes while they are at their most vulnerable.
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This scenario is solved by giving all people non-gendered spaces with individual bathing areas. Costly and burdensome on facilities, but a way to assure everyone of their respect.
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Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.

And you are free to feel that way of course, but recognize that you are creating a problem by forcing children to do what you think is best against their wishes while they are at their most vulnerable.
The problem is illusory. There's nothing inherently wrong with a naked human body.
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JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.
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JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.

And you are free to feel that way of course, but recognize that you are creating a problem by forcing children to do what you think is best against their wishes while they are at their most vulnerable.
The problem is illusory. There's nothing inherently wrong with a naked human body.

Boggles the mind why the trans movement is tied to the MAP movement.
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Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tree_ wrote:Do you staunch supporters have an age limit? Just curious, how do you decide?

It’s nobody’s business. Work from there.
As a parent, it’s worth thinking about. I’d want to do the right thing.
You do what you think is best and other people do what they think is best.

The only time there's going to be a problem is if you insist someone else does what you think is beste.

This is simple to say, but what happens here when the beliefs of the two groups cannot be reconciled? Imagine a high school locker room where freshman girls (13-14 yo) are going to change and shower after practice and an 18 year old self-id'd transwomen is in there and insists on showering at the same time they do. If the girls do not consent to being seen showering by this person and to be exposed to this adult's body, who compromises under your assertion?
Is the issue that it's an adult or that she's trans?

If the issue is that she's trans then I'd tell them the same thing I'd tell someone that doesn't want to shower with a gay person or a person of a different race - That's your problem, get over it.

And you are free to feel that way of course, but recognize that you are creating a problem by forcing children to do what you think is best against their wishes while they are at their most vulnerable.
The problem is illusory. There's nothing inherently wrong with a naked human body.

Boggles the mind why the trans movement is tied to the MAP movement.
You're the one making the connection between sex and naked kids here - not me.
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Tommy I think you should consider some naked people are not comfortable around other naked people, particularly of a different sex. They deserve respect too.
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