Transgender Rights

[tree_]

we've never left anything on a positive note, I just gave up

I came back because you posted Matt fucking Walsh and are asking "why is that transphobic?"

I didn't tell you my opinion of the video. If I post a video of a car crash does that imply I support crashing cars?

[Ms Harmless]

we've never left anything on a positive note, I just gave up

I came back because you posted Matt fucking Walsh and are asking "why is that transphobic?"

I didn't tell you my opinion of the video. If I post a video of a car crash does that imply I support crashing cars?

if the thread is about how to prevent car crashes and support car crash victims, what's the point in constantly posting car crashes "without comment"? stop pretending you can do this week in week out and still come across as impartial

[Ms Harmless]

I'm not saying anyone here wants me dead

I am saying that a handful of people here don't trust trans people to know what we need and advocate for it; I am saying that you feel we need you injecting some rationality into a conversation that primarily concerns *us*; I am saying you don't treat me as an adult

[Ms Harmless]

that's transphobia too

transphobia doesn't begin at "hate", it begins at doubt, fear, and reluctance to believe us as a default setting

[tree_]

we've never left anything on a positive note, I just gave up

I came back because you posted Matt fucking Walsh and are asking "why is that transphobic?"

I didn't tell you my opinion of the video. If I post a video of a car crash does that imply I support crashing cars?

if the thread is about how to prevent car crashes and support car crash victims, what's the point in constantly posting car crashes "without comment"? stop pretending you can do this week in week out and still come across as impartial

The reason I posted the video is we were talking about the importance of defining words in a way we can all agree upon so we can have actual conversations about anything. In the video nobody can agree what the word "woman" even means, which was relevant to the conversation we were having.

I haven't even posted in this thread very often (definitely not every week), and when I do, I never say anything negative about trans people. Yet, you keep accusing me of being a trans phobe. It's simply baffling to me. It is your right, but until you have evidence, they are unsubstantiated attacks.

[tree_]

that's transphobia too

transphobia doesn't begin at "hate", it begins at doubt, fear, and reluctance to believe us as a default setting

I'm not saying anyone here wants me dead

I am saying that a handful of people here don't trust trans people to know what we need and advocate for it; I am saying that you feel we need you injecting some rationality into a conversation that primarily concerns *us*; I am saying you don't treat me as an adult

OK, I don't think that accurately describes me. But nonetheless, again, we are not agreeing on the definition of the word. I am going by the dictionary's definition of transphobia, which is

"dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people."
which I definitely do not have

[Ms Harmless]

I don't need you to "agree" on the definitions I'm using

I don't need you to have trans conversations, period

[Bi_3]

One could argue it's damaging to trans causes and their rights to not subject irreversible, life-altering medical treatments for children suffering Gender Dysphoria to the same rigorous scientific evaluation, standards, and wide-open discussion as other healthcare. By asserting that the right to the unregulated use of these drugs on vulnerable children is not up for debate, it gives the impression that it's an ideological and not evidence-based position. That's why it's important to recognize these other advanced democracies that have taken a step back to slow down and focus on psychological care while they ask critical questions like 'Is it really safe?' and 'Does it really improve long term outcomes?' with regards to these medical protocols. We should learn from that approach so that when it comes to kids who identify as trans that parents, doctors, and most importantly the patients understand what's going to happen and are confident they are on the right course.

[Ms Harmless]

I don't need you to agree on my definition of "woman" as a trans woman

I am a woman regardless of what you think about it and I don't need your permission

[Ms Harmless]

One could argue it's damaging to trans causes and their rights to not subject irreversible, life-altering medical treatments for children suffering Gender Dysphoria to the same rigorous scientific evaluation, standards, and wide-open discussion as other healthcare. By asserting that the right to the unregulated use of these drugs on vulnerable children is not up for debate, it gives the impression that it's an ideological and not evidence-based position. That's why it's important to recognize these other advanced democracies that have taken a step back to slow down and focus on psychological care while they ask critical questions like 'Is it really safe?' and 'Does it really improve long term outcomes?' with regards to these medical protocols. We should learn from that approach so that when it comes to kids who identify as trans that parents, doctors, and most importantly the patients understand what's going to happen and are confident they are on the right course.

trans kids*

not "kids who identify as trans"

yes, one COULD argue everything you're arguing

one COULD be a transphobe

[tree_]

I don't need you to "agree" on the definitions I'm using

I don't need you to have trans conversations, period

If you don't want to have conversations with people about this stuff, why are you even here?

[Ms Harmless]

the very idea that trans people aren't concerned with the best health outcomes for *our own* is transphobia

[Ms Harmless]

I don't need you to "agree" on the definitions I'm using

I don't need you to have trans conversations, period

If you don't want to have conversations with people about this stuff, why are you even here?

because I want to be here? because this thread is supposed to be about my rights, not about my right to have rights

[Ms Harmless]

trans people can and should lead the conversation about trans people's healthcare

[B]

One could argue it's damaging to trans causes and their rights to not subject irreversible, life-altering medical treatments for children suffering Gender Dysphoria to the same rigorous scientific evaluation, standards, and wide-open discussion as other healthcare. By asserting that the right to the unregulated use of these drugs on vulnerable children is not up for debate, it gives the impression that it's an ideological and not evidence-based position. That's why it's important to recognize these other advanced democracies that have taken a step back to slow down and focus on psychological care while they ask critical questions like 'Is it really safe?' and 'Does it really improve long term outcomes?' with regards to these medical protocols. We should learn from that approach so that when it comes to kids who identify as trans that parents, doctors, and most importantly the patients understand what's going to happen and are confident they are on the right course.

trans kids*

not "kids who identify as trans"

yes, one COULD argue everything you're arguing

one COULD be a transphobe

Bi_3, you act like doctors push surgery on 12 year olds that are questioning their gender. Why do you imagine a world where the most invasive option is the first choice for doctors? Who hurt you, man?

[BurtReynolds]

No he doesn't act like that. You just immediately assume the worst possible intentions of anyone who disagrees with you.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Ms Harmless]

so you're having fun "imagining worlds"? what about trying to get your head in this one? there is no conspiracy theory here where a trans cabal is "incentivising" doctors to go beyond what is best for their patients, but neither is "non-pharmaceutical therapy" going to address all of trans people's needs

[Ms Harmless]

stop trying to stop trans people getting exactly what we need because it makes you feel weird

[B]

No he doesn't act like that. You just immediately assume the worst possible intentions of anyone who disagrees with you.

His posts assume the worst possible intentions of anyone who provides gender affirming care. I didn't make him post that.