Indiana Jones and the The Dial of Destiny

[Mecca]

I dunno if anyone has pointed out that these movies began as a purposeful nostalgia exercise on the part of Spielberg and Lucas. Like others have said you can play up nostalgia and still have a good movie (I don’t love any of these movies but raiders and temple are good).

I’d argue that most art is derivative of something before it

[McParadigm]

I don’t know. In the three actual Indiana Jones movies, the character of Indiana Jones is a complex blend of Harrison Ford’s charisma and nothing else, right? That’s the whole thing: Come and see the most charismatic man on earth play a Nazi-punching jungle adventurer on a fetch quest for god. Don’t think about it.

I guess I just can’t imagine a way for the nostalgia those original movies created to be spoken to in the year 2023.

[BurtReynolds]

Save yourselves 20 bucks and just get a glass of whisky and look though old yearbooks

Shia Leboeuf didn’t die in my yearbook

That's definitely a positive of this film.

[bart]

I don’t know. In the three actual Indiana Jones movies, the character of Indiana Jones is a complex blend of Harrison Ford’s charisma and nothing else, right?

They wanted Tom Selleck originally

[bart]

The most charismatic mustache on earth

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[BurtReynolds]

I don’t know. In the three actual Indiana Jones movies, the character of Indiana Jones is a complex blend of Harrison Ford’s charisma and nothing else, right? That’s the whole thing: Come and see the most charismatic man on earth play a Nazi-punching jungle adventurer on a fetch quest for god. Don’t think about it.

I guess I just can’t imagine a way for the nostalgia those original movies created to be spoken to in the year 2023.

the nostalgia they created was originally based on stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and some old archeologist (can't remember his name). So it does a fine job of speaking to that bygone era of storytelling and celebrity by making the titular character old and out of date.

Why the fuck would you want to watch something with that message?

[Jorge]

Like others have said you can play up nostalgia and still have a good movie

Obviously. The question is is that all they've got? From various comments (and the trailers) that's the impression I've been getting

[VinylGuy]

i would say this one doesnt relay in nostalgia that much. Its the late sequel we should have had with the previous one.You could see it knowing very little about this character and still have a great view.

[bart]

Like others have said you can play up nostalgia and still have a good movie

Obviously. The question is is that all they've got? From various comments (and the trailers) that's the impression I've been getting

Why are you arguing I was agreeing with you

[Jorge]

I apologize to everyone

[Mecca]

It’s about time

[JuanHamm]

I apologize to everyone

Just for this thread or for everything?

[lennytheweedwhacker]

Is there any way to make a new IJ movie 40 years after the original that doesn’t use nostalgia?

I think it would be impossible.

It seems like the passing of time, longing for the past, the weight of regrets, etc. are big thematic components of this film so I get that it's gonna lean on that. I get it. I'm trying to untangle why I never felt even a little interested to see this at the theater, and it's probably because I have no emotional attachment to the series. The movie certainly isn't calling to me on its own strengths.

It would to me because I love the originals, but I found the execution of those things very much lacking. I'll give it another chance in 2028

[daft twat]

Like others have said you can play up nostalgia and still have a good movie

Obviously. The question is is that all they've got? From various comments (and the trailers) that's the impression I've been getting

I don’t think so. I don’t think they play up the nostalgia at all. I think Mangold just followed the template of what makes an Indy movie fun.

There is definitely a theme of regret, but it’s contrasted between Indy, who never hints at using this Macguffin to change the tragic event in his life, and Mads, who wants to rewrite history (I thought in clever twist on an old cliche).

I guess what struck me the most is it’s clear the world doesn’t care about him or his ideals anymore, but he still clings to the notion that historical artifacts belong in a museum - preserved for future generations to share and learn from. Despite the famous “fortune and glory, kid” line, he’s never been about that.

I’d also add that if we only had the original trilogy, he comes across as a bit of a womanizer, whereas this movie really cements that Marion was the love of his life. It’s a personal preference. I guess, but it makes me like the character a lot more.

[epilogue]

Well said, daft.

[Strat]

The more DT artfully expresses his thoughts on the movie, the more I realize how much i truly loved this installment.

[dimejinky99]

Could all stop being hyper critical and just enjoy the thing for what it is.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Could all stop being hyper critical and just enjoy the thing for what it is.

Maybe you should try that with Oppenheimer

[VinylGuy]

Could all stop being hyper critical and just enjoy the thing for what it is.

Maybe you should try that with Oppenheimer

no way dime saw that one