Election 2024: Last One Out, Hit The Lights

[96583UP]

If RFK is right* about vaccines and autism, his solution of making it harder to get vaccines approved would likely strip us of the fruits of weaponized autism such as:

*he's not right, it's probably a combination of a technological society, older parents, assortitive mating, and changes in child rearing.

based on the artillery, safe to say iran are better friends to russia

will artillery from pre-1986 even work?

maybe more likely to blow up the equipment

[96583UP]

Has a modern candidate ever failed as hard as DeSantis has in the last month? Absolute train wreck of campaigning and messaging.

Jeb

[Simple Torture]

Has a modern candidate ever failed as hard as DeSantis has in the last month? Absolute train wreck of campaigning and messaging.

Jeb

Jeb!

[Bi_3]

Has a modern candidate ever failed as hard as DeSantis has in the last month? Absolute train wreck of campaigning and messaging.

Jeb

Jeb!

Was ¡Jeb! ever deemed 'favorable'? As for DeSantis, everything was falling his way and somehow he fucked it up:





Maybe it was doubling-down on the one-trick-pony anti-woke message instead of explaining what he can do outside of sue Disney. That recent bigtoed video ain't gonna help matters either.

[elliseamos]

I don't think the "somehow" is warranted.

He's a boob. The more he talks the more boobishness is revealed.

[96583UP]

Christie going at Trump

[Bi_3]

Too bad he's wrong on so much policy, because RFK Jr is spot-on right here:

[B]

He doesn't lie as much as Trump.

[elliseamos]

Do you know who I am?
My dad?
My uncle?
My uncle's friends?

[simple schoolboy]

Do you know who I am?
My dad?
My uncle?
My uncle's friends?

*Raspy RFK Jr. Voice*
I could drive drunk and kill a woman and still get elected!

If elected president, I would destroy all pharmaceutical companies. While I disagree with my colleagues about children yearning for the mines, I know that their actual yearning is for polio and measles, which I will deliver.

[elliseamos]

To claim he's not been (nor still is) anti vax makes that opening statement pretty cringe.

[simple schoolboy]

To claim he's not been (nor still is) anti vax makes that opening statement pretty cringe.

Look, RFK just defines anti-vax as being against all vaccines without qualifications. He might be okay with one or two, so he doesn't qualify. Why don't you share his definition?

[Bi_3]

To claim he's not been (nor still is) anti vax makes that opening statement pretty cringe.

Look, RFK just defines anti-vax as being against all vaccines without qualifications. He might be okay with one or two, so he doesn't qualify. Why don't you share his definition?

I havent checked, so honestly I don't know, but specifically what has he said other than that vaccines should not be trusted until they are required to be go through the same approval process as other medical treatments?

[elliseamos]

Here's the first thing that comes up with my googling:

Kennedy made his name in the anti-vaccine movement in 2005, when he published a story alleging a massive conspiracy regarding thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that had been removed from all childhood vaccines except for some variations of the flu vaccine in 2001. In his piece, Kennedy completely ignored an Institute of Medicine immunization safety review on thimerosal published the previous year; he’s also ignored the nine studies funded or conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that have taken place since 2003.

[Bi_3]

Here's the first thing that comes up with my googling:

Kennedy made his name in the anti-vaccine movement in 2005, when he published a story alleging a massive conspiracy regarding thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that had been removed from all childhood vaccines except for some variations of the flu vaccine in 2001. In his piece, Kennedy completely ignored an Institute of Medicine immunization safety review on thimerosal published the previous year; he’s also ignored the nine studies funded or conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that have taken place since 2003.

Interesting. That's not anti-vax though is it?


Edit: here’s an excellent piece on how thimerosal came to be demonized: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376879/

[McParadigm]

I havent checked, so honestly I don't know

America’s maximal level of interest in and engagement with RFK Jr, summarized.

[elliseamos]

Just four days after a correction [in Rolling Stone and Salon] confirmed that his story had misstated the levels of ethylmercury infants had received—it was actually “40 percent, not 187 times, greater than the EPA’s limit for daily exposure to methyl mercury”—Kennedy told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, “We are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.” Kennedy also said on-air that children were being given 24 vaccines and that each one of them had “this thimerosal, this mercury in them.”

Those statements were not even remotely true: In 2005, the CDC recommended that children under 12 years old receive a total of eight vaccines that protected against a dozen different diseases. Only three of those vaccines had ever used thimerosal as a preservative, and all had been thimerosal-free since 2001.

[Bi_3]

I havent checked, so honestly I don't know

America’s maximal level of interest in and engagement with RFK Jr, summarized.

I have no interest in him as a candidate, but it takes balls to claim in front of congress you are not anti-vax when that is almost universally how the he is portrayed in the media.

[wease]

Just four days after a correction [in Rolling Stone and Salon] confirmed that his story had misstated the levels of ethylmercury infants had received—it was actually “40 percent, not 187 times, greater than the EPA’s limit for daily exposure to methyl mercury”—Kennedy told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, “We are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.” Kennedy also said on-air that children were being given 24 vaccines and that each one of them had “this thimerosal, this mercury in them.”

Those statements were not even remotely true: In 2005, the CDC recommended that children under 12 years old receive a total of eight vaccines that protected against a dozen different diseases. Only three of those vaccines had ever used thimerosal as a preservative, and all had been thimerosal-free since 2001.

Haha. “You say I’m wrong when I say 187? Ok, I was wrong. It’s 400!!!!” He’s just pulling numbers from the air.

[Bi_3]

Just four days after a correction [in Rolling Stone and Salon] confirmed that his story had misstated the levels of ethylmercury infants had received—it was actually “40 percent, not 187 times, greater than the EPA’s limit for daily exposure to methyl mercury”—Kennedy told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, “We are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.” Kennedy also said on-air that children were being given 24 vaccines and that each one of them had “this thimerosal, this mercury in them.”

Those statements were not even remotely true: In 2005, the CDC recommended that children under 12 years old receive a total of eight vaccines that protected against a dozen different diseases. Only three of those vaccines had ever used thimerosal as a preservative, and all had been thimerosal-free since 2001.

Haha. “You say I’m wrong when I say 187? Ok, I was wrong. It’s 400!!!!” He’s just pulling numbers from the air.

Quibble, but look at the bolded part above.

It's eight vaccines by count of type, but several are a series with multiple shots or given yearly (and some yearly flu shots still had mercury in them according a different paragraph in the same article, see EE's prior post):