Greta Gerwig’s BARBIE (2023)

[wease]

I can see Tree leaving that theatre...dressed in PINK!!

OH BOY

I will never wear pink. I don't think you're following the plot here VG

Why would you never wear pink? What’s wrong with a guy wearing pink? I have numerous pink shirts, socks and shorts.

i already said it's just not my style.. also I was just making the point that this movie won't convert me to it's dumb feminist ideals

so, wearing pink = dumb feminist ideals?

sigh...

VG was riffing on me saying it's a dangerous movie because its aiming dangerous feminist propaganda at children by saying it's so powerful even someone like me complaining about it will be converted and I was saying it will never happen. Why do I feel like I always have to spell things out to you and wease? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Why do you keep referring to this PG-13 movie that looks like a mid-aughts Old Navy commercial and features a tired joke about being day drunk as aimed at children?

It’s also odd to me that you keep talking about a movie’s cultural impact, when movies have no cultural impact at all anymore outside of being an inroad to internet madness.

You yourself turn to YouTube to demonstrate your point, and do you know why? Because YouTube is actually the thing that has all of that cultural shifting power you are fretting over. This movie is not gonna say anything to any kids that they haven’t seen 1000 times already on YouTube channels, often expressed to them by people who they actually look up to. That’s the real danger. They’ll get indoctrinated with it. They’ll end up stupidly posting YouTube links to prove things on message boards. A dark hour will chime.

Because it's a Barbie movie, being advertised to and attended by mothers and their children in swarms, because Barbie is an iconic, beloved figure for girls and their moms

I was excited about this movie because it feels like a cultural event for motion pictures at the cinema. This with Oppenheimer is supposed to be a big deal that helps to save cinema or whatever and then I learned it's mostly just shitty propaganda dressed in fun colors and pretty faces. Frustrating

I watched a ben shapiro video posted in this thread that was being mocked and found nothing about it objectionable, if what he said about the movie was true. And then I watched other personalities on Youtube expressing similar perspectives, and then others I trust even more holding those same views. Again it's not the sources that are the problem, it's the ideals corrupting fragile, weak minds. On youtube you can find all sorts of ideas, and it can be an echo chamber for literally anyone. It seems pretty nihilistic to say "every idea is readily available on the uber-popular platform of youtube, therefore any idea in any movie is fair game". Hopefully, ultimately the truth and righteousness will prevail in the war of ideas.

Also, I'm not afraid of messaging like this affecting culture as much as messages in movies like this being a reflection of the state of our culture.. a sign of the times

So rather than be indoctrinated by a movie you’d rather be indoctrinated by right-wing YouTube videos.

[tree_]

I can see Tree leaving that theatre...dressed in PINK!!

OH BOY

I will never wear pink. I don't think you're following the plot here VG

Why would you never wear pink? What’s wrong with a guy wearing pink? I have numerous pink shirts, socks and shorts.

i already said it's just not my style.. also I was just making the point that this movie won't convert me to it's dumb feminist ideals

so, wearing pink = dumb feminist ideals?

sigh...

VG was riffing on me saying it's a dangerous movie because its aiming dangerous feminist propaganda at children by saying it's so powerful even someone like me complaining about it will be converted and I was saying it will never happen. Why do I feel like I always have to spell things out to you and wease? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Why do you keep referring to this PG-13 movie that looks like a mid-aughts Old Navy commercial and features a tired joke about being day drunk as aimed at children?

It’s also odd to me that you keep talking about a movie’s cultural impact, when movies have no cultural impact at all anymore outside of being an inroad to internet madness.

You yourself turn to YouTube to demonstrate your point, and do you know why? Because YouTube is actually the thing that has all of that cultural shifting power you are fretting over. This movie is not gonna say anything to any kids that they haven’t seen 1000 times already on YouTube channels, often expressed to them by people who they actually look up to. That’s the real danger. They’ll get indoctrinated with it. They’ll end up stupidly posting YouTube links to prove things on message boards. A dark hour will chime.

Because it's a Barbie movie, being advertised to and attended by mothers and their children in swarms, because Barbie is an iconic, beloved figure for girls and their moms

I was excited about this movie because it feels like a cultural event for motion pictures at the cinema. This with Oppenheimer is supposed to be a big deal that helps to save cinema or whatever and then I learned it's mostly just shitty propaganda dressed in fun colors and pretty faces. Frustrating

I watched a ben shapiro video posted in this thread that was being mocked and found nothing about it objectionable, if what he said about the movie was true. And then I watched other personalities on Youtube expressing similar perspectives, and then others I trust even more holding those same views. Again it's not the sources that are the problem, it's the ideals corrupting fragile, weak minds. On youtube you can find all sorts of ideas, and it can be an echo chamber for literally anyone. It seems pretty nihilistic to say "every idea is readily available on the uber-popular platform of youtube, therefore any idea in any movie is fair game". Hopefully, ultimately the truth and righteousness will prevail in the war of ideas.

Also, I'm not afraid of messaging like this affecting culture as much as messages in movies like this being a reflection of the state of our culture.. a sign of the times

So rather than be indoctrinated by a movie you’d rather be indoctrinated by right-wing YouTube videos.

Oh, I'm not worried about me. I take the information at face value, separate it from its source, dash some salt on it and form my own opinions. Some people aren't so lucky, though.

[Monkey_Driven]

"I have legitimate opinions" - message board poster

Tree_, I haven't been following this thread or the discourse around the film much, but this line made me chuckle.

[Anders]

You should see the movie yourself, before being so opinionated on it.

I have legitimate opinions on the toxic ideals it apparently espouses in oodles, not the movie as a whole. I may actually end up watching it anyway eventually, just for the aesthetics. I'll probably hate it, but who knows?

Apoarently being a key word here.

[wease]

I can see Tree leaving that theatre...dressed in PINK!!

OH BOY

I will never wear pink. I don't think you're following the plot here VG

Why would you never wear pink? What’s wrong with a guy wearing pink? I have numerous pink shirts, socks and shorts.

i already said it's just not my style.. also I was just making the point that this movie won't convert me to it's dumb feminist ideals

so, wearing pink = dumb feminist ideals?

sigh...

VG was riffing on me saying it's a dangerous movie because its aiming dangerous feminist propaganda at children by saying it's so powerful even someone like me complaining about it will be converted and I was saying it will never happen. Why do I feel like I always have to spell things out to you and wease? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Why do you keep referring to this PG-13 movie that looks like a mid-aughts Old Navy commercial and features a tired joke about being day drunk as aimed at children?

It’s also odd to me that you keep talking about a movie’s cultural impact, when movies have no cultural impact at all anymore outside of being an inroad to internet madness.

You yourself turn to YouTube to demonstrate your point, and do you know why? Because YouTube is actually the thing that has all of that cultural shifting power you are fretting over. This movie is not gonna say anything to any kids that they haven’t seen 1000 times already on YouTube channels, often expressed to them by people who they actually look up to. That’s the real danger. They’ll get indoctrinated with it. They’ll end up stupidly posting YouTube links to prove things on message boards. A dark hour will chime.

Because it's a Barbie movie, being advertised to and attended by mothers and their children in swarms, because Barbie is an iconic, beloved figure for girls and their moms

I was excited about this movie because it feels like a cultural event for motion pictures at the cinema. This with Oppenheimer is supposed to be a big deal that helps to save cinema or whatever and then I learned it's mostly just shitty propaganda dressed in fun colors and pretty faces. Frustrating

I watched a ben shapiro video posted in this thread that was being mocked and found nothing about it objectionable, if what he said about the movie was true. And then I watched other personalities on Youtube expressing similar perspectives, and then others I trust even more holding those same views. Again it's not the sources that are the problem, it's the ideals corrupting fragile, weak minds. On youtube you can find all sorts of ideas, and it can be an echo chamber for literally anyone. It seems pretty nihilistic to say "every idea is readily available on the uber-popular platform of youtube, therefore any idea in any movie is fair game". Hopefully, ultimately the truth and righteousness will prevail in the war of ideas.

Also, I'm not afraid of messaging like this affecting culture as much as messages in movies like this being a reflection of the state of our culture.. a sign of the times

So rather than be indoctrinated by a movie you’d rather be indoctrinated by right-wing YouTube videos.

Oh, I'm not worried about me. I take the information at face value, separate it from its source, dash some salt on it and form my own opinions. Some people aren't so lucky, though.

But you’re not forming your own opinions. You’re merely parroting the arguments you see on YouTube without ever actually making your own decision about anything. You’re taking things “at face value” and accepting them as fact without ever actually going deeper into it. If Shapiro says Barbie is bad for whatever reason you don’t feel any need to challenge it. You accept it as truth and move on. You’ve been completely indoctrinated and you’re here saying you won’t see the movie for fear of you or your kid being indoctrinated.

[tree_]

"I have legitimate opinions" - message board poster

Tree_, I haven't been following this thread or the discourse around the film much, but this line made me chuckle.

Why? In other words, independently formed opinions by gathered objective facts, information, as opposed to just blindly plucking opinions from thin air, or previously formed ones from others, thus making them relatively "legitimate"

[tree_]

I can see Tree leaving that theatre...dressed in PINK!!

OH BOY

I will never wear pink. I don't think you're following the plot here VG

Why would you never wear pink? What’s wrong with a guy wearing pink? I have numerous pink shirts, socks and shorts.

i already said it's just not my style.. also I was just making the point that this movie won't convert me to it's dumb feminist ideals

so, wearing pink = dumb feminist ideals?

sigh...

VG was riffing on me saying it's a dangerous movie because its aiming dangerous feminist propaganda at children by saying it's so powerful even someone like me complaining about it will be converted and I was saying it will never happen. Why do I feel like I always have to spell things out to you and wease? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Why do you keep referring to this PG-13 movie that looks like a mid-aughts Old Navy commercial and features a tired joke about being day drunk as aimed at children?

It’s also odd to me that you keep talking about a movie’s cultural impact, when movies have no cultural impact at all anymore outside of being an inroad to internet madness.

You yourself turn to YouTube to demonstrate your point, and do you know why? Because YouTube is actually the thing that has all of that cultural shifting power you are fretting over. This movie is not gonna say anything to any kids that they haven’t seen 1000 times already on YouTube channels, often expressed to them by people who they actually look up to. That’s the real danger. They’ll get indoctrinated with it. They’ll end up stupidly posting YouTube links to prove things on message boards. A dark hour will chime.

Because it's a Barbie movie, being advertised to and attended by mothers and their children in swarms, because Barbie is an iconic, beloved figure for girls and their moms

I was excited about this movie because it feels like a cultural event for motion pictures at the cinema. This with Oppenheimer is supposed to be a big deal that helps to save cinema or whatever and then I learned it's mostly just shitty propaganda dressed in fun colors and pretty faces. Frustrating

I watched a ben shapiro video posted in this thread that was being mocked and found nothing about it objectionable, if what he said about the movie was true. And then I watched other personalities on Youtube expressing similar perspectives, and then others I trust even more holding those same views. Again it's not the sources that are the problem, it's the ideals corrupting fragile, weak minds. On youtube you can find all sorts of ideas, and it can be an echo chamber for literally anyone. It seems pretty nihilistic to say "every idea is readily available on the uber-popular platform of youtube, therefore any idea in any movie is fair game". Hopefully, ultimately the truth and righteousness will prevail in the war of ideas.

Also, I'm not afraid of messaging like this affecting culture as much as messages in movies like this being a reflection of the state of our culture.. a sign of the times

So rather than be indoctrinated by a movie you’d rather be indoctrinated by right-wing YouTube videos.

Oh, I'm not worried about me. I take the information at face value, separate it from its source, dash some salt on it and form my own opinions. Some people aren't so lucky, though.

But you’re not forming your own opinions. You’re merely parroting the arguments you see on YouTube without ever actually making your own decision about anything. You’re taking things “at face value” and accepting them as fact without ever actually going deeper into it. If Shapiro says Barbie is bad for whatever reason you don’t feel any need to challenge it. You accept it as truth and move on. You’ve been completely indoctrinated and you’re here saying you won’t see the movie for fear of you or your kid being indoctrinated.

I'm listening to what he says is factual about the plot points, setting his opinion on those things aside, and asking myself what I think of those plot points, assuming they are true, and then corroborating the validity of those same plot points from other sources who both like and dislike the movie, and forming my own opinions. Again, I'm not afraid of being indoctrinated. That's silly.

[dad]

I can see Tree leaving that theatre...dressed in PINK!!

OH BOY

I will never wear pink. I don't think you're following the plot here VG

Why would you never wear pink? What’s wrong with a guy wearing pink? I have numerous pink shirts, socks and shorts.

i already said it's just not my style.. also I was just making the point that this movie won't convert me to it's dumb feminist ideals

so, wearing pink = dumb feminist ideals?

sigh...

VG was riffing on me saying it's a dangerous movie because its aiming dangerous feminist propaganda at children by saying it's so powerful even someone like me complaining about it will be converted and I was saying it will never happen. Why do I feel like I always have to spell things out to you and wease? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Why do you keep referring to this PG-13 movie that looks like a mid-aughts Old Navy commercial and features a tired joke about being day drunk as aimed at children?

It’s also odd to me that you keep talking about a movie’s cultural impact, when movies have no cultural impact at all anymore outside of being an inroad to internet madness.

You yourself turn to YouTube to demonstrate your point, and do you know why? Because YouTube is actually the thing that has all of that cultural shifting power you are fretting over. This movie is not gonna say anything to any kids that they haven’t seen 1000 times already on YouTube channels, often expressed to them by people who they actually look up to. That’s the real danger. They’ll get indoctrinated with it. They’ll end up stupidly posting YouTube links to prove things on message boards. A dark hour will chime.

Because it's a Barbie movie, being advertised to and attended by mothers and their children in swarms, because Barbie is an iconic, beloved figure for girls and their moms

I was excited about this movie because it feels like a cultural event for motion pictures at the cinema. This with Oppenheimer is supposed to be a big deal that helps to save cinema or whatever and then I learned it's mostly just shitty propaganda dressed in fun colors and pretty faces. Frustrating

I watched a ben shapiro video posted in this thread that was being mocked and found nothing about it objectionable, if what he said about the movie was true. And then I watched other personalities on Youtube expressing similar perspectives, and then others I trust even more holding those same views. Again it's not the sources that are the problem, it's the ideals corrupting fragile, weak minds. On youtube you can find all sorts of ideas, and it can be an echo chamber for literally anyone. It seems pretty nihilistic to say "every idea is readily available on the uber-popular platform of youtube, therefore any idea in any movie is fair game". Hopefully, ultimately the truth and righteousness will prevail in the war of ideas.

Also, I'm not afraid of messaging like this affecting culture as much as messages in movies like this being a reflection of the state of our culture.. a sign of the times

So rather than be indoctrinated by a movie you’d rather be indoctrinated by right-wing YouTube videos.

Oh, I'm not worried about me. I take the information at face value, separate it from its source, dash some salt on it and form my own opinions. Some people aren't so lucky, though.

But you’re not forming your own opinions. You’re merely parroting the arguments you see on YouTube without ever actually making your own decision about anything. You’re taking things “at face value” and accepting them as fact without ever actually going deeper into it. If Shapiro says Barbie is bad for whatever reason you don’t feel any need to challenge it. You accept it as truth and move on. You’ve been completely indoctrinated and you’re here saying you won’t see the movie for fear of you or your kid being indoctrinated.

I'm listening to what he says is factual about the plot points, setting his opinion on those things aside, and asking myself what I think of those plot points, assuming they are true, and then corroborating the validity of those same plot points from other sources who both like and dislike the movie, and forming my own opinions. Again, I'm not afraid of being indoctrinated. That's silly.

sounds good to me.

[BurtReynolds]

It's so weird that people can watch this movie and come away thinking there is no political message/cultural agenda. Maybe it's like David foster Wallace's "what the hell is water?" speech. They are so inundated by liberal ideology that they no longer even see it. The only other explanation is that they do see it, they just agree with it and want to promote it it and will lie about it existing ("it's not happening"). Crazy.

[tree_]

It's so weird that people can watch this movie and come away with it thinking there is no political message/cultural agenda. Maybe it's like David foster Wallace's "what the hell is water?" speech. They are so inundated by liberal ideology that they no longer even see it. The only other explanation is that they do see it, they just agree with it and want to promote it it and will lie about it existing ("it's not happening"). Crazy.

It's definitely the path of least resistance.

[Ello Sailor]

It's so weird

[Ello Sailor]

Embarrassing. Touch some grass, fellas.

[BurtReynolds]

Like obviously there is a message here. And then one has to next think, "hmm.... It has the financial backing of giant media corporations spending billions on promotion...

Oh but YouTube exists so I guess that evens out...'

... What?

[dad]

tree and burt are out here doing the work while all of us weirdos are falling prey.

what is wrong with us?

[tree_]

I'm actually about half convinced that most people are NPCs in this simulation because of shit like this

trippy

[BurtReynolds]

It's so weird that people can watch this movie and come away with it thinking there is no political message/cultural agenda. Maybe it's like David foster Wallace's "what the hell is water?" speech. They are so inundated by liberal ideology that they no longer even see it. The only other explanation is that they do see it, they just agree with it and want to promote it it and will lie about it existing ("it's not happening"). Crazy.

It's definitely the path of least resistance.

BuT iTs jUsT a ToY cOMmErcIAL

[tree_]

wolf in sheep's clothing, man

wolf in sheep's clothing

[dad]

i am ashamed of myself for not seeking the counsel of the great YouTube philosophers of our time, and instead falling victim to hollywoods pink cavernous mouth swallowing me up.

[dad]

help me, ben sapporo.

[tree_]

i am ashamed of myself for not seeking the counsel of the great YouTube philosophers of our time, and instead falling victim to hollywoods pink cavernous mouth swallowing me up.

I know you're joking, but I don't consider them "great philosophers", just people doing the work of reporting so I can decide not to waste my money and support such garbage.