Ms Harmless wrote:I'm just here for the "the answer is somewhere in the middle" posts
Two groups being wrong at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that the truth is "in the middle" of both of them. That there exist groups of toxic woman-haters ready to downvote anything with a woman in it and that giant corporations like Disney commodify diversity and allyship in pursuit of the bottom line are not opposing ideas. They actually fit very neatly together!
Disney being disingenuous about their allyship is not equal to incels being ingenuous about their hate.
Equal how? I don't know how to measure that. I think they're both pretty bad. I think a corporation manipulating fans into defending their product by weaponizing the language of social justice is pretty repugnant. And the woman-hating dweebs are bad for obvious reasons. But what I was saying is they probably cancel each other out in terms of their effect on the box office, which is what I'm most interested in.
are they manipulating fans? putting out one movie where it is female leads vs close to 30 where it was a male dominated cast? considering the source material the two grown ups took their name from Captain Marvel (danvers asked permission and i think monica's was given to her) and then the youngin called herself that because she was such a carol stan. it is pretty hard to do a captain marvel/marvels/black widow movie without it being female leads.
its not weaponizing anything it is making movies about the times that the world is currently at. women have taken a backseat for so long in the hollywood entertainment scene and marvel is giving them a chance to shine. will it take a while for the world (america) to accept this as the norm? probably so but it has to start somewhere
Kinda feel this movie arrives too late. If they did Cap Marvel 2 a year ago maybe, it would be different.
Maybe its me, because im pretty much out of Marvel at this stage, i havent seen a lot of their recent movies or series, but i cant see myself caring for this one at all.
BurtReynolds wrote:Cautiously optimistic that heads will roll after this one comes out.
Doubt it. At this point, Marvel is a huge money making machine, so all they have to do is keep churning out movies to stay in the public consciousness. How the movies perform doesn’t matter when you consider all the merch too.
BurtReynolds wrote:Cautiously optimistic that heads will roll after this one comes out.
Doubt it. At this point, Marvel is a huge money making machine, so all they have to do is keep churning out movies to stay in the public consciousness. How the movies perform doesn’t matter when you consider all the merch too.
It might be different this time. I'm not sure merch is doing great, and their theme parks aren't doing great either. And I'm not sure losing a billion dollars this year on movies alone is something they can just brush off as the cost of doing business. Marvel is definitely starting to fail. This movie is tracking to bomb, Ant-man failed, and many of the recent films have broke even at best (though there are exceptions like Spider-Man). Add to that the recent disasters on Disney+, and it looks like they are going into a tailspin. And that doesn't even include disintegrating Star Wars and Pixar properties.
Sounds like they are going to pivot hard to X-Men and Fantastic Four, which isn't a bad idea. But if it's the same people and processes, I don't see how they will be successful.
im guessing this will bomb, specially with their standars yeah. You can already see it with the lack of excitement and even if they are not allowed to do a proper roll out, the marketing has been very quiet at least since the first trailer.
VinylGuy wrote:im guessing this will bomb, specially with their standars yeah. You can already see it with the lack of excitement and even if they are not allowed to do a proper roll out, the marketing has been very quiet at least since the first trailer.
Marketing is dependent upon those actor being out talking about the movie.
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VinylGuy wrote:im guessing this will bomb, specially with their standars yeah. You can already see it with the lack of excitement and even if they are not allowed to do a proper roll out, the marketing has been very quiet at least since the first trailer.
Marketing is dependent upon those actor being out talking about the movie.
nah, the trailer was quietly released with very little talk about it.
