We knew it was coming. Ahsoka - Disney+

[Got Some]

How good does this show look and feel ??? Im totally hooked already, and compared to boba fett and Obi-Wan i wasn't overly that excited with Ahsoka.

Im assuming they used the volume but it just looks so different.

They battle scene with Hera and Chopper looked movie worthy. You were so lucky to see it all on the big screen Dime. I think i actually understood chopper.


I cant wait for next week already.

[dimejinky99]

And nobody talking about the cat
Not even a mention.
You let yourselves down here lads.

You weren’t talking about it either. Don’t reprimand people for not doing something you’re not doing.

To be fair...

The MVP is the fuckin loth cat.. that’s not a diss. You’ll see.

See? My Joe gets it.

[wease]

And nobody talking about the cat
Not even a mention.
You let yourselves down here lads.

You weren’t talking about it either. Don’t reprimand people for not doing something you’re not doing.

To be fair...

The MVP is the fuckin loth cat.. that’s not a diss. You’ll see.

You sonnuvabitch

[dimejinky99]

I love you lads

[dimejinky99]

What the fuck

Young people might own a house now if they hadn’t watched so many Star Wars spin-offs

Patrick Freyne: A year doesn’t pass without a Star War being beamed to our eyeballs. This week, with Ahsoka, it’s Rosario Dawson’s turn

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-r ... spin-offs/

[Ensign9]

Lots of bitching from critics that have never watched Rebels. The latest episode of The Watch was essentially just Andy and Chris whining for 30 minutes.

I sympathize with the feeling a "mass market" show shouldn't require homework but I wouldn't want Filoni dumbing it down. Go watch Rebels, you hacks.

[Monkey_Driven]

Lots of bitching from critics that have never watched Rebels. The latest episode of The Watch was essentially just Andy and Chris whining for 30 minutes.

I sympathize with the feeling a "mass market" show shouldn't require homework but I wouldn't want Filoni dumbing it down. Go watch Rebels, you hacks.

It's a valid criticism. The same problem exists in the MCU with all of those shows and movies.

[Ensign9]

Lots of bitching from critics that have never watched Rebels. The latest episode of The Watch was essentially just Andy and Chris whining for 30 minutes.

I sympathize with the feeling a "mass market" show shouldn't require homework but I wouldn't want Filoni dumbing it down. Go watch Rebels, you hacks.

It's a valid criticism. The same problem exists in the MCU with all of those shows and movies.

I do think we may have another Last Jedi problem on our hands where a creator is given too much leeway in the overall narrative direction that may be at odds with the broader audience expectations, not to mention Disney’s bottom line.

That said, I love that! Last Jedi is the filet mignon between two moldy buns and Ahsoka looks like it’s gonna be the season 5 of Rebels only the hardcore nerds will fully appreciate — we’re benefitting from Lucasfilm and Disney executive leadership not knowing what the hell they’re doing.

[Ensign9]

The same problem exists in the MCU with all of those shows and movies.

I think MCU’s problem is quality control due to saturation and having run out of compelling stories to tell (or their current narrative leadership group is lacking the ability to do so). Their latest offerings have gone too broad in trying to appeal to mass audiences and have failed to please just about anyone. Different problem than what we’re seeing with Andor, Ahsoka, and Last Jedi.

[McParadigm]

I’m not going to be watching Ahsoka so this is not a criticism of this specific show, but those types of criticisms (and an increasingly insular fanbase) are exactly the consequences when you build all of your *new* stories off of previously-existing characters, referencing previously-existing stories.

Any series or movie whose appeal boils down to “remember this character?” is going to produce an answer of “no,” or just “oh,” from a lot of people. And the more often they have that response to your new series or movie, the less they’re going to pay attention to what comes next. You can’t complain your way out of that.

What made Andor work wasn’t the adult seriousness and scowling faces, it was the fact that the story was engaging on its own terms, independent of any Star Wars nostalgia.

You didn’t need Star Wars feels to lock in to the drama of it. It wasn’t depending on you already having heart emojis for a character or situation. Even people who liked Rogue One weren’t clamoring for a Cassian Andor series, and you could take all of the Star Wars components out of Andor and it still works. It’s interesting on its own terms, as a science fiction story about the complexities of fighting against oppression. It could be placed in its own original scifi universe full of oppression, and story is still the story…and still gripping.

Creating new stories that appeal on their own terms, without depending on your fandom or love for a character, is how a franchise survives and thrives. There is a reason that fandom character stories like this used to be relegated to books and comics: books and comics didn’t cost hundreds of millions to make. You could give fans the follow up stories they wanted, and still remain solvent.

I’m happy for you guys, that you’re getting this content and having fun with it. But you should really be rooting for Star Wars to focus more on creating stories that work on their own, without assuming a viewer’s love for or knowledge of a character. Otherwise, I don’t think you are gonna like where Star Wars is at in another 10 years.

[Ensign9]

No disagreement with your principle but there’s no reason we can’t have both.

[McParadigm]

No disagreement with your principle but there’s no reason we can’t have both.

Agreed. But right now you desperately need more successes in column A and less emphasis on content for column B. Until that corrects, you’re going to continue to see a reduction in response to Star Wars from both viewers and critics.

This is definitely not just a Star Wars problem either, by the way.

[Strat]

And here I am wanting to know/have stories about why Ahsoka, Sabine, Sendula etc...weren't at the battle of endor and where the fuck they were! And also why are they not ever mentioning Luke who is a powerful Jedi that helped take down the empire! I need it all!


I kid, somewhat.

The first 2 episodes are pretty great and i think its premature to lay criticism that this show relies heavily on past nostalgia. Of course, these characters existed and there are references to Rebels, but as of now I dont think Rebels is required watching. So far this has been a slow moving exercise and they seem to be laying the groundwork intentionally. There is specific dialogue as to what finding Thrawn means for those still loyal to the empire, and it doesnt require having watched Rebels to understand.

Now if someone had never seen Star Wars of any kind, yea it might be difficult watch but who the fuck would come in anyway for not having efver watcehd star wars?

The show looks really really good. I agree it had a flare of cinema quality.

Also, very very intrigued about Baylan and what he is all about - given the last scene in Ep 2.

[Ensign9]

Ahsoka, and the case of the required reading
Among my many pandemic binges was a double-feature of Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars: Rebels. I had always heard good things about both from fellow nerds, and with Ahsoka appearing in live action on The Mandalorian, it felt like a good excuse to go back and see her origins. On the whole, I really enjoyed both series, even if each of them (Clone Wars especially) needed a while to figure itself out creatively. And because I had seen them relatively recently, I had no trouble following either the plot or the emotional journey of the first two episodes of Ahsoka.

But (if I can paraphrase a character I’ll be writing about a few paragraphs from now) I couldn’t help but wonder: how would Ahsoka play to someone who had not watched at least those four seasons of Rebels, never mind Clone Wars?

Since my review published on Tuesday night, I’ve gotten two kinds of responses. The first comes from fans of the animated shows, who have no sympathy for live-action-only viewers, and say, “This is a sequel to those shows. Of course it’s going to require people to already know or care about the characters.” The second comes from viewers frustrated that they need to have seen somewhere between four and eleven additional seasons of television to properly appreciate this one.

Even though I know the cartoons, I tend to side with the second group. Between the Marvel shows and Star Wars, it feels like Disney has done too far in assuming people will be willing to watch every single show and movie in order to understand and enjoy the next one, and the next one, and the next one. It reminds me of how, in my more serious comics-reading days, I eventually stopped reading all of the most high-profile Marvel and DC titles, because they were guaranteed to be part of at least one crossover a year, and I didn’t want to have to read lots of other titles to follow what was happening in the ones I cared about.

In the decade and a half since the first MCU movie, the interconnected nature of these big franchises has gradually gone from feature to bug. I wonder at what point Disney, Warner, and the other companies behind these franchises will realize that many audience members will be more excited to watch stand-alone projects than ones that demand you see many other things first.

[dimejinky99]

No disagreement with your principle but there’s no reason we can’t have both.

Agreed. But right now you desperately need more successes in column A and less emphasis on content for column B. Until that corrects, you’re going to continue to see a reduction in response to Star Wars from both viewers and critics.

This is definitely not just a Star Wars problem either, by the way.

I agree with your assessment McP but look at everything.

They’re making new LOTR tv shows and films all based on narratives literally buried in the appandices. In one sense counting in the very fact the majority of people haven’t actually delved in and read that all stuff. They’re literally counting on the fact that you haven’t.

In broader terms this kind of move should encourage people to do deep dives back into reading a LOTR or Ahsokas history (all available on D+ with craft made playlists) or Lokis or whatever it is.

For some reason people don’t and dont though. Attention spans are so completely diminished now

How many Netflix series have we all started not even bothered to finish? Loads.

It’s all about our attention spans, but also about time investment.
us SW can seem detached or possessive cos we have put in that time. Over years and years.
So articles like the one above boil the piss outta me. That guy (a career contrarian who somehow people think is funny) is just having a cheap dog to generate them click revenue. But otherwise for what?

The discourse around SW in that manner is as tiresome and annoying as any possessive gatekeeper fan like I can be, is.

Ramble over.

[VinylGuy]

Ahsoka is not a show based on nostalgia.

[Ensign9]

Ahsoka is not a show based on nostalgia.

Nostalgia may not be the right word but it certainly rewards having a history with Clone Wars and Rebels.

[McParadigm]

And here I am wanting to know/have stories about why Ahsoka, Sabine, Sendula etc...weren't at the battle of endor and where the fuck they were! And also why are they not ever mentioning Luke who is a powerful Jedi that helped take down the empire! I need it all!


I kid, somewhat.

The first 2 episodes are pretty great and i think its premature to lay criticism that this show relies heavily on past nostalgia. Of course, these characters existed and there are references to Rebels, but as of now I dont think Rebels is required watching. So far this has been a slow moving exercise and they seem to be laying the groundwork intentionally. There is specific dialogue as to what finding Thrawn means for those still loyal to the empire, and it doesnt require having watched Rebels to understand.

Now if someone had never seen Star Wars of any kind, yea it might be difficult watch but who the fuck would come in anyway for not having efver watcehd star wars?

The show looks really really good. I agree it had a flare of cinema quality.

Also, very very intrigued about Baylan and what he is all about - given the last scene in Ep 2.

I’m not talking about background knowledge. I understand that maybe that’s what the critics being referenced are complaining about.

I am talking about the natural consequences of building 80% of your new material on “remember this character?“ The inevitable results of developing your projects on a presumption of existing interest, shortcutting an endless parade of “more,” where there should be “new.“

This franchise’s survival is ultimately going to depend on the ability to craft stories that don’t market themselves on you already having an emotional attachment. That don’t depend on you liking Ahsoka beforehand so you’ll tune in, and don’t assume you give a shit about a blue skin admiral from a book in the 90s. Stories that can make somebody who has no Star Wars nostalgia or pre-existing interest curious for a moment. It is terribly imbalanced with insular content right now.

[dimejinky99]

Ahsoka is not a show based on nostalgia.

Agree completely. Nor was andor. Or even obi wan.

The last a perfect example though. There’s an element of required reading to understand.
You can watch any of them and enjoy them. You just get more back (or not depending on your view) if you have.

I’m all for sw doing nostalgia.
We’re caving into a new era with brand new characters in a different time frame and people are already complaining about it.

They kinda can’t win no matter they do with it tbh.

[Strat]

And here I am wanting to know/have stories about why Ahsoka, Sabine, Sendula etc...weren't at the battle of endor and where the fuck they were! And also why are they not ever mentioning Luke who is a powerful Jedi that helped take down the empire! I need it all!


I kid, somewhat.

The first 2 episodes are pretty great and i think its premature to lay criticism that this show relies heavily on past nostalgia. Of course, these characters existed and there are references to Rebels, but as of now I dont think Rebels is required watching. So far this has been a slow moving exercise and they seem to be laying the groundwork intentionally. There is specific dialogue as to what finding Thrawn means for those still loyal to the empire, and it doesnt require having watched Rebels to understand.

Now if someone had never seen Star Wars of any kind, yea it might be difficult watch but who the fuck would come in anyway for not having efver watcehd star wars?

The show looks really really good. I agree it had a flare of cinema quality.

Also, very very intrigued about Baylan and what he is all about - given the last scene in Ep 2.

I’m not talking about background knowledge. I understand that maybe that’s what the critics being referenced are complaining about.

I am talking about the natural consequences of building 80% of your new material on “remember this character?“ The inevitable results of developing your projects on a presumption of existing interest, shortcutting an endless parade of “more,” where there should be “new.“

This franchise’s survival is ultimately going to depend on the ability to craft stories that don’t market themselves on you already having an emotional attachment. That don’t depend on you liking Ahsoka beforehand so you’ll tune in, and don’t assume you give a shit about a blue skin admiral from a book in the 90s. Stories that can make somebody who has no Star Wars nostalgia or pre-existing interest curious for a moment. It is terribly imbalanced with insular content right now.

Is that even possible with a property like Star Wars? Its been in the public sphere for 45 darn years. If it doesn't harken back to some form of star wars story, then is it even star wars and if not, then whats the point?