Israel & Palestine

[Anders]

Absolutely horrible.

[dimejinky99]

For context, Hamas locates command and control in hospitals for exactly this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

Here’s you logic In real time.

We know Hamas hide in hospitals. Tough shit on hospitals. Cost of wars.

Seconds later.
This wasn’t us. It must have been a terrorist rocket that went astray.

[Anders]

[dimejinky99]

Washington Post has confirmed the strike and has video

[E.H. Ruddock]

I don’t think the world is ready for what’s about to happen. Hamas is probably going to start striking small but high impact places like in Jerusalem with human bombs, and Israeli is going to keep bulldozing Gaza. That attack last week pushed Israel’s leaders over the edge, there isn’t going to be a stopping point any time soon. Some big governments, including our own, will have to make some tough choices soon as far as support. I think the turning back point has passed. Will be interesting to see if any other nations get pulled into the physical war

[dimejinky99]

[dimejinky99]

A landmark moment in the history of the tweet editing function.

(In the interim between the original and edited tweets, reporters noted that the time stamp of the videos didn't match the timing of the Gaza hospital attack.)

[Bi_3]

Maybe slow down and wait for the 'fog of war' to settle? Maybe Israel lied, maybe they made a mistake. None of us know.

[spike]

Maybe slow down and wait for the 'fog of war' to settle? Maybe Israel lied, maybe they made a mistake. None of us know.

Yes why is anyone arguing for a side here; it’s pointless.

[bart]

I don’t think the world is ready for what’s about to happen. Hamas is probably going to start striking small but high impact places like in Jerusalem with human bombs, and Israeli is going to keep bulldozing Gaza. That attack last week pushed Israel’s leaders over the edge, there isn’t going to be a stopping point any time soon. Some big governments, including our own, will have to make some tough choices soon as far as support. I think the turning back point has passed. Will be interesting to see if any other nations get pulled into the physical war

Yes this. I can’t see a way that this doesn’t turn into a regional war at least

[simple schoolboy]

How much does Palestinian Islamic Jihad pay their rocket quality engineers? I suspect they might have an opening...

[dimejinky99]

They announced hospitals are legitimate targets just a few days ago.
They said Hamas hide in them and have tunnels under them.
Did you all miss this?
Did you miss them editing the tweets and not time stamp on the video?

You can see how this will roll now. Something horrific happens,
Israel clearly responsible, then screams ‘Hamas terrorists did it!’
And it’s gets repeated as fact.

[dimejinky99]

Do we have a figure from an IDF point of view of just how many people are in Hamas?
Just to get an idea. (There is no such figure they just want all Palestinians dying, dead or gone)

Looks like dehydration is going to be the big killer in the coming days.

[dimejinky99]

‘Hamas have fired 6000 rockets into Israel in the last 9 days’

Strange that not one of them had anything like this impact. Not a one.

[simple schoolboy]

They announced hospitals are legitimate targets just a few days ago.
They said Hamas hide in them and have tunnels under them.
Did you all miss this?
Did you miss them editing the tweets and not time stamp on the video?

You can see how this will roll now. Something horrific happens,
Israel clearly responsible, then screams ‘Hamas terrorists did it!’
And it’s gets repeated as fact.

Calm down man, these rockets have a worse failure rate than provo mortars.

It's not entirely clear what happened, but new large caliber rockets (copied from Syrian/ Chinese 300mm dia system) launch fails and drops (200-300lb? More?) warhead onto hospital complex is possible. The rocket motor would weigh more, perhaps that fell on the complex. Whatever exploded seems low in brisance compared to a JDAM.

I don't trust the Israelis to be entirely truthful, but I also don't expect the Palestinians have radar tracks for their outgoing, so their initial assumption made perfect sense. Any third party that might want to investigate is terminally compromised by being able to work in Gaza under Hamas approval.

[Bammer]

Bombs and rockets and mass death and all that - definitely the path toward a solution. Keep it up over there. Great job. These tactics are definitely going to work. Very intelligent people running things on both sides. Praise be to Allah. Holy desert land is very important. Martyrdom will get you 700 virgins in heaven. Congratulations. When all the women and children are dead things will definitely improve.

[dimejinky99]

This is the MO sadly. And they get away with it. Every time.
Watch every interview with any Israeli spokesperson with this in mind.

Israel's style of public relations
SIR - A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:
1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;
2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;
3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;
4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;
5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;
6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!
7. Why are you still talking about
Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?
Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.
Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardif
Stop the War Coalition

[knee tunes]

For context, Hamas locates command and control in hospitals for exactly this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

Here’s you logic In real time.

We know Hamas hide in hospitals. Tough shit on hospitals. Cost of wars.

Seconds later.
This wasn’t us. It must have been a terrorist rocket that went astray.

Yeah cuz that happens everyday . oops a misfire and i exactly hit my own hospital. You better believe it

[Anders]

[Anders]

Very conflicting stories coming out. In the largest Norwegian newspaper, a doctor says that he has spoken to people in the hospital, and he can confirm hundreds of dead victims.