Congress

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[McParadigm]

Given McCarthy’s recent attempt to compromise around the pending shutdown, I believe the Dems had a moral duty and a nice opportunity to give a little. They own the current embarrassment happening in the House every bit as much as the GOP

I understand this interpretation. My question is, “therefore they should” what?

I can’t believe the answer is “help to elect Jim Jordan.”

A political party is a coalition, and not everybody agrees inside that coalition. Religious Republicans, fiscal Republicans, MAGAs, moderates…. They constantly strive to find a place of unity, and then work outward from there.

The Republican party currently has a functional majority in the House, but is incapable of compromising with itself because a small minority of its members refuse to. Assisting that extremist minority in the acquisition of power is not good politics, and it’s not good problem solving.

[Peeps]

totally disagree

the R's tried to pin the looming shutdown on the dems even though it was 21 of their maga reps who voted no (dems voted no on it soley based on the immigration tie ins)

remember when mcconnell laughed about blocking obama?

remember when the Republicans put blame for jan 6th on pelosi for not calling int he guard?

ever turn the republicans effe something up and tell the american people it is the democrats doing it and their base eats that shit up.

i have no sympathy for republicans and their fractured party nor anyone who still supports it

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[The Argonaut]

It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

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[McParadigm]

Republican Rep. Jim Jordan told GOP colleagues Thursday he will back a temporary U.S. House speaker as he works to shore up support to win the gavel himself.

Jordan delivered the message at a closed door meeting at the Capitol as the Republican majority considered an extraordinary plan to give the interim Speaker Pro-tempore Rep. Patrick McHenry more powers to reopen the House and conduct crucial business.

That’s according to Republicans who attended the private meeting and insisted on anonymity to discuss it.

On Wednesday, Jordan failed in a crucial second ballot, opposed by 22 Republicans, two more than he lost in first-round voting the day before. Many view the Ohio congressman as too extreme for a central seat of U.S. power and resented the harassing hardball tactics from Jordan’s allies for their votes. One lawmaker said they had received death threats.

“We’ll keep talking to members, keep working on it,” Jordan, a founding member of the hard-right Freedom Caucus, said after the vote.

The House came to another abrupt standstill, 16 days now since the sudden ouster of Kevin McCarthy without a speaker — a position of power second in line to the presidency.

“The way out is that Jim Jordan has got to pull his name,” said Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., who voted twice against him. “He’s going to have to call it quits.”

I don’t know. It sure seems to me as though Republican holdouts could have caved to a minority power grab, but instead were able to put pressure on their party until a more moderate temporary solution was put in place….a thing they could not have done if Democrats had crossed the aisle and voted for a Republican extremist in the name of filling the spot as quickly as possible.

[Peeps]

It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

he had pelosi kicked out of her office space within hours of losing speakerhood. gtfo that he is trustworthy

[The Argonaut]

It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

he had pelosi kicked out of her office space within hours of losing speakerhood. gtfo that he is trustworthy

I think that was probably Patrick McHenry's doing, no? Regardless, it's small potatoes. I'm talking about the dozens of stories we heard in the wake of McCarthy's ouster about his telling someone one thing and doing another immediately, of his applauding a bipartisan moment on Saturday and shitting on Dems on TV on Sunday

[spike]

It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

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[wease]

It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

he had pelosi kicked out of her office space within hours of losing speakerhood. gtfo that he is trustworthy

I think that was probably Patrick McHenry's doing, no? Regardless, it's small potatoes. I'm talking about the dozens of stories we heard in the wake of McCarthy's ouster about his telling someone one thing and doing another immediately, of his applauding a bipartisan moment on Saturday and shitting on Dems on TV on Sunday

He sure bit the hand that fed him there, didn’t he?

[BurtReynolds]

Boy I hope the establishment can reassert its rightful control over Congress soon!

[The Argonaut]

Burt, your take on the situation is objectively correct, but the game isn't fun if you don't play it. The accurate response based in reality is "who cares? not me." But that isn't fun. It's more fun to make a case for whose fault this is, imagine wild scenarios about how they'll get out of this, or place bets on how long it will take and which backbencher will end up King Ralph-ed in as Speaker. Play with us, Burt, don't spoil the fun

[BurtReynolds]

I just wish the stakes were higher. Tell me that a state might sink into the ocean if we don't get a speaker of the house soon.

[Chris_H_2]

This is hysterical. Republicans can't elect a nominee because of a few lunatics in their own party. So certain members float the idea of extending the power of the speaker pro tempore, who is by all accounts more moderate than the fringe republican whackos. But the speaker pro tempore is viewed as someone who will be somewhat bipartisan when it comes to budget negotiations next month. and opponents say that they can't ever support a "democrat-backed coalition government," and they will vote against extending the speaker pro tempore's powers. and then when the broader republican coalition can't elect someone else, they blame the democrats for not backing the previous speaker when they should have been more . . . checks notes . . . ah yes, bipartisan.

[doug rr]

shit show..I love it..they brought it on themselves

[wease]

MAGA Republican. The purest of hypocrisy.

[Peeps]

shit show..I love it..they brought it on themselves

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