oh my bad, I misread thatfishbob wrote:I was talking about the vinyl sorry, already got the CD here in Aus!bodysnatcher wrote:Is that was the 10c version of the cd looks like on the back? I just got the store version, and it's just a list of songs on solid blackfishbob wrote:That's pretty cool, let us know if the inside is any different!
Yup. Look at the polls!stip wrote:McParadigm wrote:"Should be darker!" is just about the last thing on my mind when I'm going over all the reasons that song sucks.
McParadigm and Theplatypus are both wrong about infallible. I just want that stated. It's a great song. Possibly the best song on the record.
That is all.
The chorus is anthemic because the melody is great. There is nothing sing-along about it. It's not Alive. You couldn't sing it if you wanted because the notes are so fucking high, you'd blow your voice or just sound embarrassingly bad. So you just listen to Ed deliver one of his greatest vocals and nod in appreciation. I liked the commentary by the band on Infallible:harmless wrote:Yeah, I can tolerate a solo but I rarely get excited about them. The NAIS solos are way OTT, but I really like the song so I just shrug them off.
I personally think the "sing-along anthemic chorus trying to be sing-along anthemic" theory is wrong because... well, because it doesn't work. It's not very sing-along anthemic at all. Which makes it very comparable to something from Binaural or Riot Act (like NAIS). The people who dislike those songs dislike them because they hear "failed anthems" that don't quite lift the way they're (apparently) trying to. The people who love those songs, though, say that their quirky "failure" to properly lift into a sing-along chorus is what makes them special. "Infallible" is no different -- if you don't like it, it'll be "trying to be an anthem", but if you do like it, it'll just be good. This chorus is no more (and no less) an anthem than "Love boat captain, take the reins and steer us toward the clear." Which was a cheesy, horrible anthem in itself. The fact that Ed sings it in the lower register might make all the difference to the ear, perhaps.
When I say "horrible anthem" I don't mean that I dislike it. I love the song. But its failure to be a Ten anthem is part of its charm.
Try singing along to the high parts and you'll realise it's only possible in your head. Infallible is a serious song delivered in a most melodic way. There's darkness in the theme combined with the uplifting melody in the chorus which just rises up and up as the song goes along. It's one of the bands greatest songs both in scope and execution. Comparing it to LBC is a crime, in my opinion. This one deserves to be mentioned with their very best, i.e. the first three albums.stupidmop wrote:Yeah, i had to youtube LBC to remind myself what i think about it. Meh generally, but its better than i remember. Parts of it are really good, but other parts ...are not.harmless wrote:Yeah, I can tolerate a solo but I rarely get excited about them. The NAIS solos are way OTT, but I really like the song so I just shrug them off.
I personally think the "sing-along anthemic chorus trying to be sing-along anthemic" theory is wrong because... well, because it doesn't work. It's not very sing-along anthemic at all. Which makes it very comparable to something from Binaural or Riot Act (like NAIS). The people who dislike those songs dislike them because they hear "failed anthems" that don't quite lift the way they're (apparently) trying to. The people who love those songs, though, say that their quirky "failure" to properly lift into a sing-along chorus is what makes them special. "Infallible" is no different -- if you don't like it, it'll be "trying to be an anthem", but if you do like it, it'll just be good. This chorus is no more (and no less) an anthem than "Love boat captain, take the reins and steer us toward the clear." Which was a cheesy, horrible anthem in itself. The fact that Ed sings it in the lower register might make all the difference to the ear, perhaps.
When I say "horrible anthem" I don't mean that I dislike it. I love the song. But its failure to be a Ten anthem is part of its charm.
I don't even think infallible is trying to be a ten anthem. Not in a big emotional release kind of way. Just in a pull out your lighters and sing along kinda way. I dunno. meeeeehhhhh.
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People love singing along to Don't Stop Believing & Livin' On a Prayer because they sit so comfortably in a low register.theplatypus wrote:High notes have nothing to do with singalongability. Just play "Under Pressure" at your local bar jukebox and watch the drunks caterwaul their little alcohol-soaked hearts out.
It's the biggest hook in the song. It's actually genius to take the line most representative of the song and make it so melodic. People are singing along to these lyrics in their head. As an artist, no better way to get the message across than to implant it in the heads of your listeners. This isn't a 'wave your lighters' personal song. It's social commentary done in a most effective way. You don't drone on so you put everyone off it. If you want to be heard, this is how you do it.harmless wrote:"By thinking we're infallible, we are tempting fate instead" is kind of shitty lyrically, for an intended anthem. Maybe that's why I like it.
Release_Me wrote:It's one of the bands greatest songs both in scope and execution. Comparing it to LBC is a crime, in my opinion. This one deserves to be mentioned with their very best, i.e. the first three albums.
Challenge acceptedRelease_Me wrote:When I said it wasn't sing-along, I meant it wasn't possible to do it without sounding embarrassingly bad. I didn't say people won't try it. I've said it is melodic and does make one want to sing-along. That's one of the reasons it's a great song. The melody.
As a vocal fanatic, I just think people can't do it without completely butchering it. It's not Betterman.
fishbob wrote:Challenge acceptedRelease_Me wrote:When I said it wasn't sing-along, I meant it wasn't possible to do it without sounding embarrassingly bad. I didn't say people won't try it. I've said it is melodic and does make one want to sing-along. That's one of the reasons it's a great song. The melody.
As a vocal fanatic, I just think people can't do it without completely butchering it. It's not Betterman.
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Perfectly put.stip wrote:harmless wrote:Ah, OK. Because I think it's a successful blend of the downbeat groove of "You Are" and "Help, Help" with a more uplifting chorus (jarring because the lyrics aren't upbeat). But I get that people aren't liking the upbeat chorus. Damn that soundcheck. It sounded deep, dark and dirty.McParadigm wrote:Goodness, no. It's entirely likely that it is exactly the song they were trying to achieve.harmless wrote:But the overall gist of what I'm saying is a response to what I felt was the overall gist of what you were saying: this song tries for something it doesn't achieve
here is why lyrics matter. The chorus is such an important part of the song because it is a counterpoint to the 'darker' verses, a plea to join the singer in imagining that a better world is possible--not the exhortation in MYM. It's a 'fliest with honey' approach. I should be careful with the phrase darkness, as well, since in this song it is largely implied. The person in the verses is making a point to ignore the world collapsing around him. The music is vaguely discordant, vaguely martial, because the problem is in the distance, not immediately felt.
But getting closer.
He sounds great. Don't know what you're hearing.fishbob wrote:The last chorus is good, his voice sounds shit on the "yeaaaaayeaaaaaah"s in the outro. I'll give it a crack tomorrow and let you know how it goes haha
Just sounds like something that should've been left out of a studio recording to meRelease_Me wrote:He sounds great. Don't know what you're hearing.fishbob wrote:The last chorus is good, his voice sounds shit on the "yeaaaaayeaaaaaah"s in the outro. I'll give it a crack tomorrow and let you know how it goes haha