simple schoolboy wrote:One of the funniest things China could do would be to run freedom of navigation actions on the Gazan coast and land humanitarian supplies.
Some dogooders from here tried exactly that about ten years ago. Their ship was fired upon and they were all arrested.
I would love to see the Chinese doing it.. fire on them and watch what happens
Okay, but have you denounced Just Stop Oil yet? They are far more annoying than the most ardent Zionist.
Why do I have to? Do you?
Oh they’re arseholes.
They’re killing people too. Several people have died on their way to the hospital cos those assholes blocked the motorway. Well intentioned but they’re not helping.
simple schoolboy wrote:One of the funniest things China could do would be to run freedom of navigation actions on the Gazan coast and land humanitarian supplies.
Some dogooders from here tried exactly that about ten years ago. Their ship was fired upon and they were all arrested.
I would love to see the Chinese doing it.. fire on them and watch what happens
Okay, but have you denounced Just Stop Oil yet? They are far more annoying than the most ardent Zionist.
Why do I have to? Do you?
Oh they’re arseholes.
They’re killing people too. Several people have died on their way to the hospital cos those assholes blocked the motorway. Well intentioned but they’re not helping.
Just having a laugh. I don't think anyone that makes the Palestinian cause central to their efforts wants these guys globbing on to them.
When the grab bag of lefty causes inevitably results in conflict, it's funny where the friction occurs. Fighting climate change is decolonization!1!one
I hear you. And I agree. Some elements and groups while well intentioned (and even that’s dubious) do more harm than good. With just stop oil and certain others, it’s really about just making noise and trying glob their ‘brand’ onto it. Not well intentioned at all.
Funnys aside,
As of three hours ago, the Death toll in Gaza is 5156 including 2009 children and 15740 injured.
dimejinky99 wrote:I hear you. And I agree. Some elements and groups while well intentioned (and even that’s dubious) do more harm than good. With just stop oil and certain others, it’s really about just making noise and trying glob their ‘brand’ onto it. Not well intentioned at all.
Funnys aside,
As of three hours ago, the Death toll in Gaza is 5156 including 2009 children and 15740 injured.
Do you think the loved ones of these casualties should be equally upset with Hamas as they are with Israel?
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Also, the “Gaza Ministry of Health” that are reporting these numbers is not really a thing, it is a Hamas arm. I would not take these numbers as gospel.
Whatever the true number is though, and I’m not disputing it’s large, would include casualties caused by Hamas misfires, such as the hospital last week. I’ve seen estimates of over 500 Hamas rockets that have fallen short of Israel.
Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
scottmusic wrote:Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
I don't know about most people, but I have higher expectations for a formal government than I do for a terrorist organization. They probably don't bother asking Hamas to help people because ... well, terrorists.
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
scottmusic wrote:Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
I don't know about most people, but I have higher expectations for a formal government than I do for a terrorist organization. They probably don't bother asking Hamas to help people because ... well, terrorists.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza
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scottmusic wrote:Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
I don't know about most people, but I have higher expectations for a formal government than I do for a terrorist organization. They probably don't bother asking Hamas to help people because ... well, terrorists.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza
So was Putin. So was Kim Jong Un. So was Trump. So what?
Does that make them not terrorists?
Does that even matter since it was 13 years and 3 civil wars ago?
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
I guess my point is that it is pretty disingenuous for Hamas-run “government agencies” to cry about the humanitarian crisis occurring (and has been occurring) in Gaza when they have (and had) resources to provide their constituents and instead used to attack Israel.
If the Oct 7 massacre had been planned for a year or more as claimed, they could have planned for their people better, you know?
But the truth and reality is that Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, they just care about killing Jews.
Officials in Israel screened footage of the Hamas attack for the press: “What we shared with you, you should know it,” one official said.
By Graeme Wood
October 23, 2023, 10:29 AM ET
Jerome Sessini for The Atlantic
This afternoon, at a military base north of Tel Aviv, the Israel Defense Forces held a grisly matinee screening of 43 minutes of raw footage from Hamas’s October 7 attack. Members of the press were invited, but cameras were not allowed. Hamas had the opposite policy on cameras during the attack, which it documented gleefully with its fighters’ body cams and mobile phones. Some of the clips had been circulating already on social media in truncated or expurgated form, with the footage decorously stopped just before beheadings and moments of death. After having seen them both in raw and trimmed forms, I can endorse the decision to trim those clips. I certainly hope I never see any of the extra footage again.
It was, as IDF Major General Mickey Edelstein told the press afterward, “a very sad movie.” Men, women, and children are shot, blown up, hunted, tortured, burned, and generally murdered in any horrible manner you could predict, and some that you might not. The terrorists surround a Thai man they have shot in the gut, then bicker about what to do next. (About 30,000 Thais live in Israel, many of them farmworkers.) “Give me a knife!” one Hamas terrorist shouts. Instead he finds a garden hoe, and he swings at the man’s throat, taking thwack after thwack.
The audience gasped. I heard someone heave a little at another scene, this one showing a father and his young sons, surprised in their pajamas. A terrorist throws a grenade into their hiding place, and the father is killed. The boys are covered in blood, and one appears to have lost an eye. They go to their kitchen and cry for their mother. One of the boys howls, “Why am I alive?” and “Daddy, Daddy.” One says, “I think we are going to die.” The terrorist who killed their father comes in, and while they weep, he raids their fridge. “Water, water,” he says. The spokesman was unable to say whether the children survived.
The videos show pure, predatory sadism; no effort to spare those who pose no threat; and an eagerness to kill nearly matched by eagerness to disfigure the bodies of the victims. In several clips, the Hamas killers fire shots into the heads of people who are already dead. They count corpses, taking their time, and then shoot them again. Some of the clips I had not previously seen simply show the victims in a state of terror as they wait to be murdered, or covered with bits of their friends and loved ones as they are loaded into trucks and brought to Gaza as hostages. There was no footage of rape, although there was footage of young women huddling in fear and then being executed in a leisurely manner.
Edelstein said that the IDF chose to show the footage out of necessity. It is not every day that snuff films of Jews are shown at an IDF screening hall. (The original site of the screening was a commercial theater, which would have been even worse.) “What we shared with you,” Edelstein said, searching for words, “you should know it.” And he said he struggled to understand how some journalists could present the IDF and Hamas as comparable. This footage would refute that false equivalence.
“We are not looking for kids to kill them,” he said. “We have to share it with you so no one will have an idea that someone is equal to another.”
Graeme Wood: Hamas’s hostage-taking handbook says to ‘kill the difficult ones’ and use hostages as ‘human shields’
To me the most disturbing section was not visual at all. Like the clip of the father and his boys hunted in their pajamas, it was upsetting in part because it showed a relationship between parent and child. The clip is just a phone call—placed by a terrorist to his family back in Gaza. He tells his father that he is calling from a Jewish woman’s phone. (The phone recorded the call.) He tells his father that his son is now a “hero” and that “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands.” And he tells his family, about a dozen times, that they should open up WhatsApp on his phone, because he has sent photographs to prove what he has done. “Put on Mom!” he says. “Your son is a hero!”
His parents, I noticed, are not nearly as enthusiastic as he is. I believe that the mom says “praise be to God” at one point, which could be gratitude for her son’s crimes or pure reflex, indicating her loss for words to match her son’s unspeakable acts. They do not question what their son has done; they do not scold him. They tell him to come back to Gaza. They fear for his safety. He says, amid rounds of “Allahu akbar,” that he intends “victory or martyrdom”—which the parents must understand means that he will never come home. From their muted replies I wonder whether they also understand that even if he did come home, he would do so as a disgusting and degraded creature, and that it might be better for him not to.
scottmusic wrote:I guess my point is that it is pretty disingenuous for Hamas-run “government agencies” to cry about the humanitarian crisis occurring (and has been occurring) in Gaza when they have (and had) resources to provide their constituents and instead used to attack Israel.
If the Oct 7 massacre had been planned for a year or more as claimed, they could have planned for their people better, you know?
But the truth and reality is that Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, they just care about killing Jews.
Resources to do what? It's not like anyone in Gaza will ever have resources to do anything other than stay alive.
scottmusic wrote:Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
I don't know about most people, but I have higher expectations for a formal government than I do for a terrorist organization. They probably don't bother asking Hamas to help people because ... well, terrorists.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza
The last election in Gaza was in 2006, 17 years ago (and half the population of Gaza is under 18, btw). And that was an election across both Gaza and the West Bank in which Hamas won 74 of 132 legislative seats. Hamas quickly eliminated all non-Hamas political actors or institutions from power in Gaza. Not exactly fair to call this an elected government at all.
scottmusic wrote:Funny how Hamas has the fuel and resources to continue their barrage but no one is calling on them to share their supplies with Gaza, the land they supposedly govern.
I don't know about most people, but I have higher expectations for a formal government than I do for a terrorist organization. They probably don't bother asking Hamas to help people because ... well, terrorists.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza
Was reading there hasn’t been an election in Gaza in 16 years? No matter what or when it’s hardly free or fair elections. You’d be told how to vote and you and your family would suffer if you didn’t vote for them.
Palestinians in Gaza don’t have any kind of franchise in terms of choosing representatives.
And that suits Israel more than anyone as they can then drop any pretence that there’s a distinction between ordinary people in Palestine and Hamas. And bomb the living shit out of the whole place and everyone in it.
My ex worked there for 9 years on the ground and would tell you this and the pointlessness of even pretending its any kind of democratic setup. Head over to the West Bank and you’ll see the difference.
dimejinky99 wrote:I hear you. And I agree. Some elements and groups while well intentioned (and even that’s dubious) do more harm than good. With just stop oil and certain others, it’s really about just making noise and trying glob their ‘brand’ onto it. Not well intentioned at all.
Funnys aside,
As of three hours ago, the Death toll in Gaza is 5156 including 2009 children and 15740 injured.
Do you think the loved ones of these casualties should be equally upset with Hamas as they are with Israel?
scottmusic wrote:I guess my point is that it is pretty disingenuous for Hamas-run “government agencies” to cry about the humanitarian crisis occurring (and has been occurring) in Gaza when they have (and had) resources to provide their constituents and instead used to attack Israel.
If the Oct 7 massacre had been planned for a year or more as claimed, they could have planned for their people better, you know?
But the truth and reality is that Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, they just care about killing Jews.
Nobody’s listening to statements or figures issued by Hamas. Least of all me.
There are numerous human rights orgs and NGOs on the ground who you can and should listen to.
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The Iranians hit exactly where they wanted to after Trump schwacked Solemani. What could this mean other than getting the Arabs on board with what few ground based systems we have on hand and forward deploying them?
