Israel & Palestine

[96583UP]

i get the feeling that dude is gonna have one of those ninja blade aerial drones land on his car pretty soon

[Rob]

I’ve always been more than willing to criticize the Israeli government, and I do believe they are responsible for oppressing Palestinians over the decades now. It’s hard to imagine a young Jewish state beginning this journey only a generation after WW2. And Daddy Warbucks (America) has been there every step of the way. No one cares about Palestinians, it seems. Not even their Arab cousins.

Still, count me in the “wipe Hamas out completely” camp, full force. Israel has underestimated Hamas forever, they need to disappear. No one wants to see loss of innocent life, but it’d be even worse to go to war and then end up back where you started. And when they’re gone, I hope the world comes together to help Palestinians rebuild and organize.

[Stickman]

Wolf Blitzer visibly shocked that Israel admits it bombed refugee camp

[dimejinky99]

Be interested to hear all your thoughts on this.
This is the IDF guy that appears in Irish media whenever they need a spokesman.
He gets more and more frantic and aggressive as it goes and literally screaming at the host by 8 minutes in. He’s not even being asked hard questions.
It’s Fucking bizarre and not exactly doing them any favours
TLDR Jump to 8:50 to hear the roaring.
I'm listening to Israeli Defense Forces on RTÉ Radio 1
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22316466/

[dimejinky99]

Israel needs to at least scale back and do a cease fire to let people out. Should have been done before all of this, but dime, if Israel did that, or stopped altogether, and you asked both Hamas and Palestinians what they wanted, what do you think it would be? Here's a hint, it would be to wipe out all Jews. While I personally think that Israel has way overdone it after the Hamas attacks, I ask you what do you think an appropriate response would have been to the Hamas slaughtering/kidnapping? I'm genuinely curious.

Wish I knew. But stopping illegal evictions and settler violence on ordinary Palestinians would be the very first thing should be done to enter into any dialogue. And dialogue is the only thing will fix this.
They’re simultaneously saying they know who Hamas all are, yet instead of targeting them, just dropping bombs and wiping hundreds of people out, to get one guy, isn’t a great strategy and just sees this cycle continue.
‘Israel always only realises it gone too far, when it’s gone far too far’ to quote some security analyst in the radio earlier.
You don’t win by bombing the other guy off the face of the earth. It just doesn’t work. And that goes for both sides.

[simple schoolboy]

[dimejinky99]

I’ve asked this before and never see it mentioned anywhere but is there actual intelligence on just how many active Hamas members there are?
The only number I’ve seen was 25,000. In such a small controlled and monitored environment like Gaza, effectively a prison, where everyone has a compulsory id number and basically can’t leave Gaza, surely it would be fairly simple, with all the endless and terrifying means IDF has of identifying and monitoring people, to find them and take them out?

Not doing that and just bombing the whole place into dust and fuck whoever is in the way just adds to the idea that is areal wants to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth, just as they’ll say that what Palestinians want to do to Israelis. I’d like to believe neither are true but here we are

[dimejinky99]

That can’t be good

[dimejinky99]

Wolf Blitzer visibly shocked that Israel admits it bombed refugee camp

Fair analysis.

I’d say he’s getting torn apart in the comments for it though.

[Anders]

There is absolutely no doubt, even after what Hamas has done, you should not bomb a refugee camp to take out one senior Hamas commander.

[dimejinky99]

There is absolutely no doubt, even after what Hamas has done, you should not bomb a refugee camp to take out one senior Hamas commander.

Who it seems may not have even been there.

[simple schoolboy]

That can’t be good

The United States Marine Corps has cancelled its annual ball, sounds like the powers that be expect us to be involved in this to some extent.

I hope the extent is limited to refueling Israeli aircraft (presumably striking Yemen).

Can we just build a couple more KC-135s and sell them to Israel? No real risk for when they inevitably sell the technical data to China.

[dimejinky99]

First hand look inside that bombsite in the refugee camp and the hospital.
Fucking chaos

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzHBVegM ... BiNWFlZA==

[simple schoolboy]

There is absolutely no doubt, even after what Hamas has done, you should not bomb a refugee camp to take out one senior Hamas commander.

UNRWA has been a catastrophe. Where else do refugee camps have multistory concrete apartment blocks that would violate San Francisco building code (outside of downtown) for being too tall? Lots of good reasons to not bomb civilians, but this is one of the weaker claims. Most UN refugees get resettled, but UNRWA is based on the proposition that Israel will cease to exist and it's wards will return to what is currently Israeli territory.

If the Israelis had justified this based on destroying Hamas infrastructure rather than killing one guy, it would have gone over better.

[dimejinky99]

There is absolutely no doubt, even after what Hamas has done, you should not bomb a refugee camp to take out one senior Hamas commander.

UNRWA has been a catastrophe. Where else do refugee camps have multistory concrete apartment blocks that would violate San Francisco building code (outside of downtown) for being too tall? Lots of good reasons to not bomb civilians, but this is one of the weaker claims. Most UN refugees get resettled, but UNRWA is based on the proposition that Israel will cease to exist and it's wards will return to what is currently Israeli territory.

If the Israelis had justified this based on destroying Hamas infrastructure rather than killing one guy, it would have gone over better.

It’s the most densely populated place on earth.
Not even sure that place was a refugee camp up until recently.

[dimejinky99]

This whole thing is confusing. I don’t get the Orthodox Jews belief. Apparently there can’t be an Israel until god himself reappears to make it so? Anyways. IDF are cunts to them too.

[dimejinky99]

This prick is at the heart of it all

Netanyahu may not last, Biden and aides increasingly believe
The Israeli prime minister’s political obituary has been written before. But U.S. officials are already gauging potential successors.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/0 ... y-00124849

[dimejinky99]

All eyes on China:
- Deleted Israel from its online maps
- Is assuming the presidency of UNSC this month
- Is calling for an int'l conference on Palestine/Israel

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/10/ch ... contain-us

[Peeps]

I love that a bunch of Shmucks on a message board believe they know the answers/what is right in this situation

[Anders]

Well, let's not leave it to the imbecile politicians. Think for yourself. Have an opinion.