Yeah that's pretty great. I guess I just don't feel like I'm worth anything outside my family. Can't have it all sometimes thoThe Argonaut wrote:I think you're doing great, tree. They're going to put 'beloved husband and father' on your tombstone, not 'had a cool job for the last fifteen years of his career'
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Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.
There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.
There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.
There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.
O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.
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If you were an egoist you wouldnt have to care about such nonsense.tree_ wrote:I have resigned to the fact I will never be much of a contributor to society professionally. Though I did spend a couple years in the military, which is a small point of pride in a way. But I'm happy with my salary and I'm proud of the boys I'm raising. And I get to enjoy them and my wife for a while until I die. Maybe one day I can afford to put together a proper studio and record my album, and some people will get something from that. One dreams sometimes.
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Egoists especially want to fulfill their potential, it's just for themselves instead of others.BurtReynolds wrote:If you were an egoist you wouldnt have to care about such nonsense.tree_ wrote:I have resigned to the fact I will never be much of a contributor to society professionally. Though I did spend a couple years in the military, which is a small point of pride in a way. But I'm happy with my salary and I'm proud of the boys I'm raising. And I get to enjoy them and my wife for a while until I die. Maybe one day I can afford to put together a proper studio and record my album, and some people will get something from that. One dreams sometimes.
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Abandon your children and follow that dream of becoming a rock star.tree_ wrote:Egoists especially want to fulfill their potential, it's just for themselves instead of others.BurtReynolds wrote:If you were an egoist you wouldnt have to care about such nonsense.tree_ wrote:I have resigned to the fact I will never be much of a contributor to society professionally. Though I did spend a couple years in the military, which is a small point of pride in a way. But I'm happy with my salary and I'm proud of the boys I'm raising. And I get to enjoy them and my wife for a while until I die. Maybe one day I can afford to put together a proper studio and record my album, and some people will get something from that. One dreams sometimes.
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Haha I don't want to be a rock star. I just want my artistic potential to be realized; to have produced something I'm proud of. I'm mad at myself for getting in my own way all these years, but there's still time.BurtReynolds wrote:Abandon your children and follow that dream of becoming a rock star.tree_ wrote:Egoists especially want to fulfill their potential, it's just for themselves instead of others.BurtReynolds wrote:If you were an egoist you wouldnt have to care about such nonsense.tree_ wrote:I have resigned to the fact I will never be much of a contributor to society professionally. Though I did spend a couple years in the military, which is a small point of pride in a way. But I'm happy with my salary and I'm proud of the boys I'm raising. And I get to enjoy them and my wife for a while until I die. Maybe one day I can afford to put together a proper studio and record my album, and some people will get something from that. One dreams sometimes.
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39. You could've just clicked on my profile.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
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True egoism.tree_ wrote:39. You could've just clicked on my profile.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
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nah, this isn't meegoists believe that individuals should always put their own interests first.
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dude you should see me with my kids.. i'm like, THE most selfless father most of the time.. other than that, you might be onto something.. though it could be narcissism
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An egoist would say that the reason you are good to your kids is that it gives you pleasure to see them happy. So you're actually being very selfish, but that's ok because selfishness is good!tree_ wrote:dude you should see me with my kids.. i'm like, THE most selfless father most of the time.. other than that, you might be onto something.. though it could be narcissism
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Yeah I think I'm with you there. I just never really did a deep dive into categorizing my beliefs. I do believe the only reason people are good to people that matter is because it's in their best interests to be. So really I believe pretty much every one acts selfishly, not just "egoists".BurtReynolds wrote:An egoist would say that the reason you are good to your kids is that it gives you pleasure to see them happy. So you're actually being very selfish, but that's ok because selfishness is good!tree_ wrote:dude you should see me with my kids.. i'm like, THE most selfless father most of the time.. other than that, you might be onto something.. though it could be narcissism
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Can you work on composing your music with less-than-perfect tools, like whatever instruments you already have and some computer programs that mimic the others? I don't know what I'm talking about, but that's how my BIL does it. Then when you get your stuff to a place where you're ready, you can rent the better equipment or whatever? instead of buying everything yourselftree_ wrote:39. You could've just clicked on my profile.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
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I've tried it that way, and I don't work well under time constraints or with other people in the room. I need to own all the equipment and space so that when I'm in the right headspace I can chip away at it. I've learned this over the years.The Argonaut wrote:Can you work on composing your music with less-than-perfect tools, like whatever instruments you already have and some computer programs that mimic the others? I don't know what I'm talking about, but that's how my BIL does it. Then when you get your stuff to a place where you're ready, you can rent the better equipment or whatever? instead of buying everything yourselftree_ wrote:39. You could've just clicked on my profile.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
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this is probably why so many 70s musicians started doing cocainetree_ wrote:I've tried it that way, and I don't work well under time constraints or with other people in the room. I need to own all the equipment and space so that when I'm in the right headspace I can chip away at it. I've learned this over the years.The Argonaut wrote:Can you work on composing your music with less-than-perfect tools, like whatever instruments you already have and some computer programs that mimic the others? I don't know what I'm talking about, but that's how my BIL does it. Then when you get your stuff to a place where you're ready, you can rent the better equipment or whatever? instead of buying everything yourselftree_ wrote:39. You could've just clicked on my profile.
All I gotta do is when I finally have enough extra money, get a decent drum set, electric guitar, bass guitar, amps, recording equipment, etc. and finally properly record all the songs I've accumulated. Then I can at least say I've put down what's in my head correctly and if people don't like it I don't care. And then maybe I'll make something even better. That would be satisfying to me.
