Dark Matter (song)

[elliseamos]

I would. Anyone else means any of you or even NumbersUp?

[elliseamos]

Different topic, I know (I know), but would anyone else compare this song to original flavor Triscuits?

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Dammit.

[Strat]

Wow

This thread is moving at a breakneck clip


Good too see you all back

When Episode 10 comes out I expect a similar pace. Start preparing now, Dime.

Babes.

You know how fast I can go on that particular topic.

Doesn’t even take me a second to enter the coordinates into the navicomputer

[oneway23]

Different topic, I know (I know), but would anyone else compare this song to original flavor Triscuits?

Definitely a more satisfying crunch

[Coach]

Wow

This thread is moving at a breakneck clip


Good too see you all back

When Episode 10 comes out I expect a similar pace. Start preparing now, Dime.

Babes.

You know how fast I can go on that particular topic.

Doesn’t even take me a second to enter the coordinates into the navicomputer

Chewy, we're home.

[tree_]

I just listened again and I got the sensation you get when your car windows are cracked open and you reach the speed where you get this fluttering air effect. Just looked it up and it's called the Helmholtz Resonance.

In a nutshell, when you open just one window in your vehicle ‒ or the sunroof or moonroof ‒ the air inside your car thumps up against the faster-moving air outside the window.

Trag, can you explain this?

To clarify, I wasn't driving my car and I got this sensation. Anybody else?

[elliseamos]

Different topic, I know (I know), but would anyone else compare this song to original flavor Triscuits?

Definitely a more satisfying crunch

Right?

[Coach]

I like Cape Cod potato chips.

[spike]

I like Cape Cod potato chips.

I prefer something thinner, like Classic Lays.

[Ms Harmless]

my partner Julian just made me a delicious Valentine's meal and we drank Rosé and I love Dark Matter, this is what happiness looks like

[tree_]

At the gas station, my kid asked for the red can of Pringles but I got him the red and white can instead. He didn't like them because I told him they were pizza flavoured. I should have just kept my mouth shut. But maybe not, because then I got to eat them. They weren't awful.

[Kevin Davis]

Eddie is one of my favorite lyricists, in every era of his writing. A few global comments:

1. Eddie is a lyricist, not a poet. He writes for his voice and delivery, not the page. Lyrics that are constructed to be sung. So even though I've spent hundreds of thousands of words dissecting his lyrics over the years, they've never been independent of their delivery

2. Eddie's two primary strengths as a lyricist are a humanistic empathy that enables him to enfold broad swaths of people and experiences into his writing, and his ability to come up with aphoristic/punctuation statements that really effectively capture truths about human experience. Not necessarily in overly ornate language - often the phrasing is fairly straightforward, but in ways that emotionally resonate in hugely impactful ways.

3. Eddie's writing has always had some imperfect phrasings that could be tighter on the page but still work incredibly well because they are lyrics and he knows how to deliver them (or they happen quick enough you just move past them).

Two great examples (for me)

I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love
I wish I was the verb to trust and never let you down

These are both really powerful moments (one as a capstone, and one as a transition sentiment) that work because of the magic Eddie knows how to bring to the delivery of the writing. less effective as words on a page, but that's fine because they aren't written to be read.

This is a great post but I only think it’s practically applicable to a point. A lot of Eddie’s lyrics still sound weird and clunky even when sung; IMO some of them actually come across worse for the fact that they’re sung.

Many PJ songs work wonderfully in spite of this, but I don’t think that critiquing a lyric without placing it in the context of the performance necessarily means that people are unfairly subjecting it to the standards of a book report. We’ve all heard the songs; if the lyrics still register as awkward to us, it’s with full awareness of how they work as part of the music.

FWIW the line from “Dark Matter” doesn’t really strike me this way.

[stip]

Eddie is one of my favorite lyricists, in every era of his writing. A few global comments:

1. Eddie is a lyricist, not a poet. He writes for his voice and delivery, not the page. Lyrics that are constructed to be sung. So even though I've spent hundreds of thousands of words dissecting his lyrics over the years, they've never been independent of their delivery

2. Eddie's two primary strengths as a lyricist are a humanistic empathy that enables him to enfold broad swaths of people and experiences into his writing, and his ability to come up with aphoristic/punctuation statements that really effectively capture truths about human experience. Not necessarily in overly ornate language - often the phrasing is fairly straightforward, but in ways that emotionally resonate in hugely impactful ways.

3. Eddie's writing has always had some imperfect phrasings that could be tighter on the page but still work incredibly well because they are lyrics and he knows how to deliver them (or they happen quick enough you just move past them).

Two great examples (for me)

I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love
I wish I was the verb to trust and never let you down

These are both really powerful moments (one as a capstone, and one as a transition sentiment) that work because of the magic Eddie knows how to bring to the delivery of the writing. less effective as words on a page, but that's fine because they aren't written to be read.

This is a great post but I only think it’s practically applicable to a point. A lot of Eddie’s lyrics still sound weird and clunky even when sung; IMO some of them actually come across worse for the fact that they’re sung.

Many PJ songs work wonderfully in spite of this, but I don’t think that critiquing a lyric without placing it in the context of the performance necessarily means that people are unfairly subjecting it to the standards of a book report. We’ve all heard the songs; if the lyrics still register as awkward to us, it’s with full awareness of how they work as part of the music.

FWIW the line from “Dark Matter” doesn’t really strike me this way.

agreed. I’m generalizing a bit, and some lines may just be bad no matter what, and delivery or music could undermine a decent lyric

I like ‘i believe in love and disaster. sometimes the two are just the same.’ but disaster gets garbled in a noticeable way in the studio performance that diminishes the impact a bit - or at least makes it something i need to look past

[spike]

At the gas station, my kid asked for the red can of Pringles but I got him the red and white can instead. He didn't like them because I told him they were pizza flavoured. I should have just kept my mouth shut. But maybe not, because then I got to eat them. They weren't awful.

Yeah those are tasty. Pringles in general are such a guilty pleasure, chip shaped potato dust.

[stip]

can some kind soul repost the apple music lyrics so I can update the main post

[Rangi Guy]

can some kind soul repost the apple music lyrics so I can update the main post

Steal the light from our eyes
Drain the blood from our hearts
In all of this dark matter

Take the breath from our chest
Break the thoughts in our mind
We're losing time, dark matter

Denounce the demigods
King diamond to discard
Deploy the dialogue
Your word against the law

It's strange these days
When everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake
This blame takes shape
Still everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake

Eroding away
We're pulling apart
In all of this dark matter

I once heard it said
And it stuck in my head
Arrested the press
No one knows what happened next

Renounce the demagogues
King diamond to discard
Deploy the dialogue
Your word against the law

It's strange these days
When everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake
This blame takes shape
Still everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake

No tolerance for
Intolerance or
No patience left for
Impatience no more
No love lost for
Lost loves
No sorrow for
The unaccountable

It's strange these days
When everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake
This blame takes shape
Still everybody else pays
For someone else's mistake

[SJM]

Eddie is one of my favorite lyricists, in every era of his writing. A few global comments:

1. Eddie is a lyricist, not a poet. He writes for his voice and delivery, not the page. Lyrics that are constructed to be sung. So even though I've spent hundreds of thousands of words dissecting his lyrics over the years, they've never been independent of their delivery

2. Eddie's two primary strengths as a lyricist are a humanistic empathy that enables him to enfold broad swaths of people and experiences into his writing, and his ability to come up with aphoristic/punctuation statements that really effectively capture truths about human experience. Not necessarily in overly ornate language - often the phrasing is fairly straightforward, but in ways that emotionally resonate in hugely impactful ways.

3. Eddie's writing has always had some imperfect phrasings that could be tighter on the page but still work incredibly well because they are lyrics and he knows how to deliver them (or they happen quick enough you just move past them).

Two great examples (for me)

I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love
I wish I was the verb to trust and never let you down

These are both really powerful moments (one as a capstone, and one as a transition sentiment) that work because of the magic Eddie knows how to bring to the delivery of the writing. less effective as words on a page, but that's fine because they aren't written to be read.

Since I'm the local Brother the Cloud cheerleader, there's a lyric of this sort in the outro that I just fucking love even though it doesn't "read" well. But it's central to maybe my favorite sixty seconds of Ed in...decades.

"I would not wish upon you
But should you ever leave this earth
Before me, I doubt this highly"

Personally, i think you cut off the most important part of that lyric and what ed is referring to in "i doubt this highly"

"Do for me, what i'd do for you"

In a kind of Yoda Speak way.... "I doubt you'd do for me what i do for you, if i left this earth before you". i think its an angry and judgmental lyric towards his subject.

What?

No.

“Should you ever leave this earth before me (I doubt this highly), do for me what I’d do for you”

Disagree only because there are a lot of "fuck yous" at the end of the song

That’s because:
“If I could wish, wish it away/ I would bleed out my knees and pray/ If I could give all that I have/ to bring him back today“

Both can be true. I think this song deals with his feeling betrayed by a friends death (Cornell to me) by not reaching out to him in need. His anger at suicide. His confusion in death and mostly him not having dealt with it yet ( per his interview with Zane )

Yeah if I recall correctly in the Zane interview he talks about being angry at the suicide and feeling like it’s a selfish act. I believe in the same interview he makes it clear it’s not about the father at sandyhook who ended up taking his own life as he would never judge someone like that who is in so much pain after losing a child.

I don’t remember much else from that interview but that latter part always stuck with me as someone who has small kids. So fucking sad.

[guitar_davey]

my partner Julian just made me a delicious Valentine's meal and we drank Rosé and I love Dark Matter, this is what happiness looks like

[spike]

Eddie is one of my favorite lyricists, in every era of his writing. A few global comments:

1. Eddie is a lyricist, not a poet. He writes for his voice and delivery, not the page. Lyrics that are constructed to be sung. So even though I've spent hundreds of thousands of words dissecting his lyrics over the years, they've never been independent of their delivery

2. Eddie's two primary strengths as a lyricist are a humanistic empathy that enables him to enfold broad swaths of people and experiences into his writing, and his ability to come up with aphoristic/punctuation statements that really effectively capture truths about human experience. Not necessarily in overly ornate language - often the phrasing is fairly straightforward, but in ways that emotionally resonate in hugely impactful ways.

3. Eddie's writing has always had some imperfect phrasings that could be tighter on the page but still work incredibly well because they are lyrics and he knows how to deliver them (or they happen quick enough you just move past them).

Two great examples (for me)

I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love
I wish I was the verb to trust and never let you down

These are both really powerful moments (one as a capstone, and one as a transition sentiment) that work because of the magic Eddie knows how to bring to the delivery of the writing. less effective as words on a page, but that's fine because they aren't written to be read.

Since I'm the local Brother the Cloud cheerleader, there's a lyric of this sort in the outro that I just fucking love even though it doesn't "read" well. But it's central to maybe my favorite sixty seconds of Ed in...decades.

"I would not wish upon you
But should you ever leave this earth
Before me, I doubt this highly"

Personally, i think you cut off the most important part of that lyric and what ed is referring to in "i doubt this highly"

"Do for me, what i'd do for you"

In a kind of Yoda Speak way.... "I doubt you'd do for me what i do for you, if i left this earth before you". i think its an angry and judgmental lyric towards his subject.

What?

No.

“Should you ever leave this earth before me (I doubt this highly), do for me what I’d do for you”

Disagree only because there are a lot of "fuck yous" at the end of the song

That’s because:
“If I could wish, wish it away/ I would bleed out my knees and pray/ If I could give all that I have/ to bring him back today“

Both can be true. I think this song deals with his feeling betrayed by a friends death (Cornell to me) by not reaching out to him in need. His anger at suicide. His confusion in death and mostly him not having dealt with it yet ( per his interview with Zane )

Yeah if I recall correctly in the Zane interview he talks about being angry at the suicide and feeling like it’s a selfish act. I believe in the same interview he makes it clear it’s not about the father at sandyhook who ended up taking his own life as he would never judge someone like that who is in so much pain after losing a child.

I don’t remember much else from that interview but that latter part always stuck with me as someone who has small kids. So fucking sad.

He shouldn’t judge anyone since he ain’t in their head

[Ms Harmless]

Eddie is one of my favorite lyricists, in every era of his writing. A few global comments:

1. Eddie is a lyricist, not a poet. He writes for his voice and delivery, not the page. Lyrics that are constructed to be sung. So even though I've spent hundreds of thousands of words dissecting his lyrics over the years, they've never been independent of their delivery

2. Eddie's two primary strengths as a lyricist are a humanistic empathy that enables him to enfold broad swaths of people and experiences into his writing, and his ability to come up with aphoristic/punctuation statements that really effectively capture truths about human experience. Not necessarily in overly ornate language - often the phrasing is fairly straightforward, but in ways that emotionally resonate in hugely impactful ways.

3. Eddie's writing has always had some imperfect phrasings that could be tighter on the page but still work incredibly well because they are lyrics and he knows how to deliver them (or they happen quick enough you just move past them).

Two great examples (for me)

I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love
I wish I was the verb to trust and never let you down

These are both really powerful moments (one as a capstone, and one as a transition sentiment) that work because of the magic Eddie knows how to bring to the delivery of the writing. less effective as words on a page, but that's fine because they aren't written to be read.

Since I'm the local Brother the Cloud cheerleader, there's a lyric of this sort in the outro that I just fucking love even though it doesn't "read" well. But it's central to maybe my favorite sixty seconds of Ed in...decades.

"I would not wish upon you
But should you ever leave this earth
Before me, I doubt this highly"

Personally, i think you cut off the most important part of that lyric and what ed is referring to in "i doubt this highly"

"Do for me, what i'd do for you"

In a kind of Yoda Speak way.... "I doubt you'd do for me what i do for you, if i left this earth before you". i think its an angry and judgmental lyric towards his subject.

What?

No.

“Should you ever leave this earth before me (I doubt this highly), do for me what I’d do for you”

Disagree only because there are a lot of "fuck yous" at the end of the song

That’s because:
“If I could wish, wish it away/ I would bleed out my knees and pray/ If I could give all that I have/ to bring him back today“

Both can be true. I think this song deals with his feeling betrayed by a friends death (Cornell to me) by not reaching out to him in need. His anger at suicide. His confusion in death and mostly him not having dealt with it yet ( per his interview with Zane )

Yeah if I recall correctly in the Zane interview he talks about being angry at the suicide and feeling like it’s a selfish act. I believe in the same interview he makes it clear it’s not about the father at sandyhook who ended up taking his own life as he would never judge someone like that who is in so much pain after losing a child.

I don’t remember much else from that interview but that latter part always stuck with me as someone who has small kids. So fucking sad.

He shouldn’t judge anyone since he ain’t in their head

agree, I'm really uncomfortable with anyone calling suicide a "selfish act", but I empathise with that emotion and hope he moved through it