Dark Matter (song)

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warehouse wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Val wrote:“The modernized guitars? The synth drums?! Why?!”
I'm guessing this is an example of the band having to use Wotman's guitars, amps, etc.
why do people call him by his birth name? super weird
that’s how they get him good
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anyway, i like ELSIII's delivery on here. i dunno if it's the cadence or delivery, but people on here are going a little overboard about his vocals.
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pearl jam sucks now
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warehouse wrote:anyway, i like ELSIII's delivery on here.
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tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself simply as Watt.

Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.

So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.

And die you shall
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pearl jam sucks now
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Would you rather get them all in the same room, burst of creative energy, captured by a shitty sound mixer

or

Piecemeal project, not playing together much, put together over a long period but captured by an excellent sound mixer?

To me, there isn't a correct answer, because both have their pros and cons. I think that in the long run, it's quite possible that Gigaton is loved for its production and Dark Matter is loved for its songs. Obviously this is all speculative, but if that's the case, I'll probably love Dark Matter more, because a) I listen for the songs, and b) there's always such and such obscure mix that can be purchased or found that will improve things on the production side.
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tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."

Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.

So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
there are a lot of Watts
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tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."

Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.

So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
whut?

his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
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pearl jam sucks now
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pearl jam sucks now
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I'm sad that this may be the closest they get to working with Rick Rubin.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
RockPusher wrote:Would you rather get them all in the same room, burst of creative energy, captured by a shitty producer

or

Piecemeal project, not playing together much, put together over a long period but captured by an excellent producer?

To me, there isn't a correct answer, because both have their pros and cons. I think that in the long run, it's quite possible that Gigaton is loved for its production and Dark Matter is loved for its songs. Obviously this is all speculative, but if that's the case, I'll probably love Dark Matter more, because a) I listen for the songs, and b) there's always such and such obscure mix that can be purchased or found that will improve things on the production side.
I honestly wish Andrew Wotman produced the sessions then passed it off to Alan Moulder, Josh Homme, or somebody like that to mix the record.
Sure, and I wish Rick Rubin produced it instead of just let it be produced in his studio. You go to battle with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.
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elliseamos wrote:I'm sad that this may be the closest they get to working with Rick Rubin.
LOL I kind of just wrote the same thing.
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tragabigzanda wrote:I honestly wish Andrew Wotman produced the sessions then passed it off to Alan Moulder, Josh Homme, or somebody like that to mix the record.
So get the Dolby Atmos mix done by Josh Evans and that Nick guy and you'll be as happy as can be, right? Honest question, no snark.
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pearl jam sucks now
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tragabigzanda wrote:
warehouse wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."

Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.

So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
whut?

his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
This is a guy who can reportedly play every riff they ever wrote. You'd have to give yourself serious brain damage to imagine he wasn't aware of the implication.
I've seen some wild stretches from you but this takes the cake
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tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."

Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commercial impact.

So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
This but I’d be astonished if Wotman’s adoption of “Watt” was in any way an intentional nod to Mike Watt.

It’s a dumb name because there’s already a notable and influential musical figure who has gone by the name Watt for the last four decades, and the dude seems kind of like an aloof industry bozo who churns out cookie cutter rock slurry for old bands who want to feel like they’ve got their finger on the pulse.

I’m sure he’s a nice dude, means well and is having the time of his life.
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I should be in a band with wottman
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pearl jam sucks now
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