This is a credible threat. Mods?tommy wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself simply as Watt.
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
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look, i get it. i was pissed off when lil nas x became famous b/c there is only one Nas. you should call him andrew.tragabigzanda wrote:This is a guy who can reportedly play every riff they ever wrote. You'd have to give yourself serious brain damage to imagine he wasn't aware of the implication.warehouse wrote:whut?tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
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Sweet. I hope all of that happens.tragabigzanda wrote:I'm waiting to hear reports from others. If I hear that it's a completely different mix, with significantly increased dynamic range and actual mid-range presence, I will 100% buy a pair of Atmos cans just for this album.RockPusher wrote:So get the Dolby Atmos mix done by Josh Evans and that Nick guy and you'll be as happy as can be, right? Honest question, no snark.tragabigzanda wrote:I honestly wish Andrew Wotman produced the sessions then passed it off to Alan Moulder, Josh Homme, or somebody like that to mix the record.
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he's part of the jamily!
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That was the first strikewarehouse wrote:he's part of the jamily!
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In the end, it's whatever process gets you the best result. But even the process you use may get you different results than you expect. Maybe the band didn't get together much when making Gigaton, I don't really know, but there's stuff on that record that sounds far more like it's based off a live take of a band in a room than DM, which sounds pretty produced and spitshined (which, in and of itself, isn't necessarily a bad thing). But the process only matters so much; sometimes live in the studio sounds labored, and sometimes you spend a year in the studio to get to the place where something sounds like it only took ten minutes.RockPusher wrote:Would you rather get them all in the same room, burst of creative energy, captured by a shitty sound mixer
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Piecemeal project, not playing together much, put together over a long period but captured by an excellent sound mixer?
To me, there isn't a correct answer, because both have their pros and cons. I think that in the long run, it's quite possible that Gigaton is loved for its production and Dark Matter is loved for its songs. Obviously this is all speculative, but if that's the case, I'll probably love Dark Matter more, because a) I listen for the songs, and b) there's always such and such obscure mix that can be purchased or found that will improve things on the production side.
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I'm assuming that both people had the same second name and both people thought "Watt" sounded catchy, just like there are fifty movies called "The Killer" or "The Cabin" or whatever; it's deeply unoriginal but it's catchytragabigzanda wrote:you seem like a nice enough person but you'd be a moron to assume he never once thought "oh like MIKE Watt!"Ms Harmless wrote:I've seen some wild stretches from you but this takes the caketragabigzanda wrote:This is a guy who can reportedly play every riff they ever wrote. You'd have to give yourself serious brain damage to imagine he wasn't aware of the implication.warehouse wrote:whut?tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
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I don't know who he is, or what the fuck happened, or why the fuck you think thistragabigzanda wrote:Mike Watt's given name is Mike Watt.Ms Harmless wrote:I'm assuming that both people had the same second name and both people thought "Watt" sounded catchy, just like there are fifty movies called "The Killer" or "The Cabin" or whatever; it's deeply unoriginal but it's catchytragabigzanda wrote:you seem like a nice enough person but you'd be a moron to assume he never once thought "oh like MIKE Watt!"Ms Harmless wrote:I've seen some wild stretches from you but this takes the caketragabigzanda wrote:This is a guy who can reportedly play every riff they ever wrote. You'd have to give yourself serious brain damage to imagine he wasn't aware of the implication.warehouse wrote:whut?tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
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You should. Watt is amazing. Mike watt. That is.Ms Harmless wrote:I don't know who he is, or what the fuck happened, or why the fuck you think thistragabigzanda wrote:Mike Watt's given name is Mike Watt.Ms Harmless wrote:I'm assuming that both people had the same second name and both people thought "Watt" sounded catchy, just like there are fifty movies called "The Killer" or "The Cabin" or whatever; it's deeply unoriginal but it's catchytragabigzanda wrote:you seem like a nice enough person but you'd be a moron to assume he never once thought "oh like MIKE Watt!"Ms Harmless wrote:I've seen some wild stretches from you but this takes the caketragabigzanda wrote:This is a guy who can reportedly play every riff they ever wrote. You'd have to give yourself serious brain damage to imagine he wasn't aware of the implication.warehouse wrote:whut?tragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
his stage name is just his name shorter and spelled differently.
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digster wrote:Maybe the band didn't get together much when making Gigaton, I don't really know, but there's stuff on that record that sounds far more like it's based off a live take of a band in a room than DM
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Believe it or not, my wife is one of them! When I met her, never once did I consider sitting her down and saying, "Look here, woman...You need to reconsider that last name if you don't wanna get kicked outta my bed!" just because Double Nickels on the Dime is one of my favorite records ever.Ms Harmless wrote:there are a lot of Wattstragabigzanda wrote:I do it because Mike Watt is one of my all-time favorite musicians, a guy who has embodied and lived a lot of my ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise; and who often simply refers to himself as "Watt."
Wotman's stage name feels like an intentional nod to Mike Watt, despite Wotman's demonstrated ideals about music as a capitalist enterprise being about as far from Mike's as one could get: A bunch of vapid music produced for maximum commerialimpact.
So fuck him. There's only one Watt in my vocabulary and I'm glad to die on that hill.
Looking back, maybe we should have fought harder early on for that name change.
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When can we expect you singing over the B side instrumental track?Jorge wrote:It's still too slick for me. I wish it felt grittier. But it's grown on me
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I haven't heard thatspike wrote:When can we expect you singing over the B side instrumental track?Jorge wrote:It's still too slick for me. I wish it felt grittier. But it's grown on me
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Agreed.Jaeti wrote:digster wrote:Maybe the band didn't get together much when making Gigaton, I don't really know, but there's stuff on that record that sounds far more like it's based off a live take of a band in a room than DM