Song of the Moment: Infallible

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griffinxi wrote:
harmless wrote:
griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.

Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
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evenslow wrote:
griffinxi wrote:
harmless wrote:
griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.

Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
Well, I do agree that there's no lapel-grabbing happening during the song; it's same-y in the sense that it doesn't go sky-high, although there is a nice vocal shift in the latter half where Ed goes into a higher register (or is it a higher key?) that's cool, but it's not earth shaking. When Tremor Christ goes big, it's still on the same wavelength as the entire rest of the song-- it's just bigger.
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I wish this song had a "second chorus", a la the "What are you running from?" in ATY, to replace the yeah yeah yeah near the end. It could really break into a new section for that part of the song but doesn't. If it did another unexpected change there, maybe the chorus might just seem more weirdly unexpected in a good way.
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The "What are you running from" section is just the verse again, with everyone but Stone Beatling it up a bit.
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Yeah I know, musically it's a verse, but the lyrics and melody are doing something different. Maybe that's what I want, mostly. Some new kind of refrain. The yeah yeah just isn't beefy enough for what's underneath it.
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harmless wrote:Yeah I know, musically it's a verse, but the lyrics and melody are doing something different. Maybe that's what I want, mostly. Some new kind of refrain. The yeah yeah just isn't beefy enough for what's underneath it.
I actually knew what you meant, but was having sort of an impulse control issue just now.

It was probably horrifying to see it play out in real time.
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I get that all the time. "Ugh, must clarify, make sure poster is being accurate."
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evenslow wrote:
griffinxi wrote:
harmless wrote:
griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.

Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
well you make them look pretty fabulous
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stip wrote:
evenslow wrote:
griffinxi wrote:
harmless wrote:
griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.

Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
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What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
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Leatherhead wrote:What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
I've been thinking the same thing, and cant figure out what it is either.
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numbers wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
I've been thinking the same thing, and cant figure out what it is either.
people have said everything from mo town to avril leveighn...it could be any song
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Christina Aguilera "Beautiful" and Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale."
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harmless wrote: Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale."
I have a hard time hearing this one.
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me too. I only heard the song once, but I listened to it specifically for that connection and didn't see it.
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stip wrote:me too. I only heard the song once, but I listened to it specifically for that connection and didn't see it.
And then you said that "Infallible" was the better song. What the hell is your problem, anyway?
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Wait, stip had never heard A Whiter Shade Of Pale before? Am I understanding this right?
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that has to be wrong
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cutuphalfdead wrote:Wait, stip had never heard A Whiter Shade Of Pale before? Am I understanding this right?
Well, to be fair...
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