Dark Matter (song)

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Foo Fighters are boring af . Most overrated band ever
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Loving this song today. Give me more of this please.
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bluestate wrote:Foo Fighters are boring af.
Yup.
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Dudes what’s with comparing bands with PJ?

Who’s next then
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unLEASHed wrote:
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Jorge wrote:I get the impression that Foo Fighters are currently a lot bigger than Pearl Jam. They have many more monthly listeners on Spotify too.
I dont measure a band popularity at any given moment just for Spotify or Apple Music charts or whatever… The Foos may have a more pop appeal, but its also much less of a stable audience than the really big ones! Over time that counts…Pearl Jam will stand the test of time has one of the biggest rock bands ever, I dont think the Foos will achieve that.

Fashion changes, tastes change, but the big ones stay and become relevant again and again, I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation.
Look man, I don't like the Foo Fighters either. I think Pearl Jam is a way better band. But from where I stand, Foo Fighters seem much more popular, largely because they have much more "normie appeal." I know way more people who love the Foo Fighters than people who love Pearl Jam. Yeah, that's totally anecdotal. I think Spotify monthly listeners is as good as metric as any other to compare the bands' levels of popularity.
I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation. I really dont think the Foos have remotely the same relevance or influence, then, now or in the future. I am saying this in a worldwide view, cant speak for how it is solely on the US.
I think even comparing them in this way the Foos come out on top. You have Miley Cyrus performing their songs. Billie Eilish singing "My Hero" with Dave. Dua Lipa covered them. They played at Joe Biden's presidential inauguration. Prince covered them at his legendary half-time show!

They're a boring band but their place in pop culture and status as one of the most popular rock bands of the moment is undeniable. Pearl Jam were much bigger at the start of their career, but are more of a legacy act at this point IMO
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Yeah Foo Fighters are unquestionably bigger than Pearl Jam these days. They're certainly not better, but bigger and more "mainstream" for sure.
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Jorge wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:
Jorge wrote:I get the impression that Foo Fighters are currently a lot bigger than Pearl Jam. They have many more monthly listeners on Spotify too.
I dont measure a band popularity at any given moment just for Spotify or Apple Music charts or whatever… The Foos may have a more pop appeal, but its also much less of a stable audience than the really big ones! Over time that counts…Pearl Jam will stand the test of time has one of the biggest rock bands ever, I dont think the Foos will achieve that.

Fashion changes, tastes change, but the big ones stay and become relevant again and again, I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation.
Look man, I don't like the Foo Fighters either. I think Pearl Jam is a way better band. But from where I stand, Foo Fighters seem much more popular, largely because they have much more "normie appeal." I know way more people who love the Foo Fighters than people who love Pearl Jam. Yeah, that's totally anecdotal. I think Spotify monthly listeners is as good as metric as any other to compare the bands' levels of popularity.
I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation. I really dont think the Foos have remotely the same relevance or influence, then, now or in the future. I am saying this in a worldwide view, cant speak for how it is solely on the US.
I think even comparing them in this way the Foos come out on top. You have Miley Cyrus performing their songs. Billie Eilish singing "My Hero" with Dave. Dua Lipa covered them. They played at Joe Biden's presidential inauguration. Prince covered them at his legendary half-time show!

They're a boring band but their place in pop culture and status as one of the most popular rock bands of the moment is undeniable. Pearl Jam were much bigger at the start of their career, but are more of a legacy act at this point IMO
My point was on the relevance side not popularity of the moment…and worldwide relevance not US only… Imagine Dragons are relevant today, that means nothing to me in terms of long game…

How many rock bands, pop acts, were the biggest thing for any number of years and are a footnote today?

How many bands made a dent in the Britpop scene for example? and who will be remembered? and im not looking at this from the quality of the band standpoint…pop culture has its moment, pearl jam could have became one of those long forgotten bands…they made a path that stands above it…and stands the test of time. pop culture is one thing, becoming a cultural “landmark” in music history is another.

Fleetwood Mac for example is a band who is not relevant in the pop culture for ages…still much more influential and respected and historically relevant than many of their more” pop cultural peers”.

Maybe im not getting my point across…but its just what i think about all of this…
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unLEASHed wrote:My point was on the relevance side not popularity of the moment…and worldwide relevance not US only… Imagine Dragons are relevant today, that means nothing to me in terms of long game…

How many rock bands, pop acts, were the biggest thing for any number of years and are a footnote today?
Lots, but the Foo Fighters are far from the flash in the pan you're painting them as. They've sustained a consistent level of popularity for decades, and carved a place for themselves in music history that's at least comparable to PJ's. I think your dislike of the band is causing you to underestimate their reach and influence. (And yes, on a worldwide level, not just the US. They're HUGE in South America. The last time Pearl Jam won a Brit Award was in 1994, the Foo Fighters have won 5 since)
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If you travel around to different countries, these are the rock band shirts you’ll most often see people wearing or for sale in stores (in no particular order):

Green Day
Nirvana
Metallica
Red Hot Chili Peppers


I haven’t noticed much in the way of Foo Fighters or Pearl Jam
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On that note, I have some empirical research to share on the topic:

I met a guy from Calgary last week (in the hot tub) who said he hates Pearl Jam and loves the Foos
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Bammer wrote:On that note, I have some empirical research to share on the topic:

I met a guy from Calgary last week (in the hot tub) who said he hates Pearl Jam and loves the Foos
I think you mis-heard me. I said I don't hate Pearl Jam and should like the Foos more than I do

We should do that again sometime
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This reminds me of the time Smashing Pumpkins were slated to open for Green Day and a number of delusional Pumpkins fans were all "BUT THE PUMPKINS ARE WAY BIGGER, WHAT IS THIS?!"

Hilarious.
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Jorge wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:
Jorge wrote:I get the impression that Foo Fighters are currently a lot bigger than Pearl Jam. They have many more monthly listeners on Spotify too.
I dont measure a band popularity at any given moment just for Spotify or Apple Music charts or whatever… The Foos may have a more pop appeal, but its also much less of a stable audience than the really big ones! Over time that counts…Pearl Jam will stand the test of time has one of the biggest rock bands ever, I dont think the Foos will achieve that.

Fashion changes, tastes change, but the big ones stay and become relevant again and again, I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation.
Look man, I don't like the Foo Fighters either. I think Pearl Jam is a way better band. But from where I stand, Foo Fighters seem much more popular, largely because they have much more "normie appeal." I know way more people who love the Foo Fighters than people who love Pearl Jam. Yeah, that's totally anecdotal. I think Spotify monthly listeners is as good as metric as any other to compare the bands' levels of popularity.
I mean kids playing Last of Us, or watching the series may be inclined to discover the band making it relevant again, same thing with Ed playing songs with Post Malone and stuff like that, new artists and influences make old ones relevant for a new generation. I really dont think the Foos have remotely the same relevance or influence, then, now or in the future. I am saying this in a worldwide view, cant speak for how it is solely on the US.
I think even comparing them in this way the Foos come out on top. You have Miley Cyrus performing their songs. Billie Eilish singing "My Hero" with Dave. Dua Lipa covered them. They played at Joe Biden's presidential inauguration. Prince covered them at his legendary half-time show!

They're a boring band but their place in pop culture and status as one of the most popular rock bands of the moment is undeniable. Pearl Jam were much bigger at the start of their career, but are more of a legacy act at this point IMO
The sole reason why the Foo's are this big is that they are incredibly predictable. The only thing that differs from album to album is the 'unique' way it was recorded or promoted. Their music is always the same. They are this generation's AC/DC. They would never release a No Code and alienate 50% of their fanbase. They say they were influenced by disco on 'Medicine at Midnight' but I hear the same rocker once again, only some minor production changes. And even then they come nowhere near to something like 'DOTC.'.

It seems that Dark Matter is an album that the average PJ fan would really like. PJ's has deliberately shun away from something like this in the past, the Foo are always aiming at what their fans would want.
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Jorge wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:My point was on the relevance side not popularity of the moment…and worldwide relevance not US only… Imagine Dragons are relevant today, that means nothing to me in terms of long game…

How many rock bands, pop acts, were the biggest thing for any number of years and are a footnote today?
Lots, but the Foo Fighters are far from the flash in the pan you're painting them as. They've sustained a consistent level of popularity for decades, and carved a place for themselves in music history that's at least comparable to PJ's. I think your dislike of the band is causing you to underestimate their reach and influence. (And yes, on a worldwide level, not just the US. They're HUGE in South America. The last time Pearl Jam won a Brit Award was in 1994, the Foo Fighters have won 5 since)
Are we really talking about awards to determine a bands influence and future relevence? Milli Vanillli please come back…Nickelback had radio hit after radio hit, do you consider them a band for the history books?
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Jorge wrote:
unLEASHed wrote:My point was on the relevance side not popularity of the moment…and worldwide relevance not US only… Imagine Dragons are relevant today, that means nothing to me in terms of long game…

How many rock bands, pop acts, were the biggest thing for any number of years and are a footnote today?
Lots, but the Foo Fighters are far from the flash in the pan you're painting them as. They've sustained a consistent level of popularity for decades, and carved a place for themselves in music history that's at least comparable to PJ's. I think your dislike of the band is causing you to underestimate their reach and influence. (And yes, on a worldwide level, not just the US. They're HUGE in South America. The last time Pearl Jam won a Brit Award was in 1994, the Foo Fighters have won 5 since)
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