MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes

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Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes

Mankind
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19
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Off He Goes
27
59%
 
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MM 2-1: Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes

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Mankind vs. Betterman vs. Off He Goes

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Mankind is fun, and over the years as I've gotten enough Pearl Jam to not resent when Eddie isn't singing I have grown to appreciate it. But it's a novelty song, and I would have rather seen Black Red Yellow occupy this weird spot on the album


I've talked about Off He Goes plenty of times. the music is beautiful. One of their prettiest songs. But I've always struggled with this lyrics, and while I think Eddie's vocals on No Code are in general too nasally (this is probably the album of vocals I like the least), it's particularly noticeable here.


Betterman, on the other hand, is simply one of the best crafted and performed bittersweet pop rock songs probably ever. Just a stunning piece we absolutely take for granted after it became a bootleg main stay. The tag from State College 03 remains my favorite.
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Of all the 'Eddie does a character songs' Betterman probably has the most emotional depth. And "She lies and says she's in love with him. Can't find a better man" is such a heartbreaking line that explains the entire song. Perfect writing.
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What’s got the whole world faking?
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Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.

Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
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Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.

Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
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Off He Goes by a mile

Betterman is just annoying at this point
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Off He Goes
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Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.

Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Yes
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stip wrote:Betterman, on the other hand, is simply one of the best crafted and performed bittersweet pop rock songs probably ever. Just a stunning piece we absolutely take for granted
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But it’s no Off He Goes.
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Anders wrote:But it’s no Off He Goes.
No. It's better, man.
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Off he goes again, but no.
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Better Man is my favorite PJ song so it gets my vote.
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My vote for Mankind is feeling like a vote for Ralph Nader. I may reconsider to tip the scales properly.
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epilogue wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.

Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
Yup absolutely.

No slouch to Betterman but Off He Goes is so gorgeous and what i would reach for today
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When I change my vote in the last minute, I just want all of you to picture this:

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Strat wrote:
epilogue wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Off He Goes should win this match in a landslide.

Just a great song and a gorgeous recording.
Spenno gets it
Yup absolutely.

No slouch to Betterman but Off He Goes is so gorgeous and what i would reach for today
Yeah buddy! I fucking love Betterman. It's just that Off He Goes is better, man!
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Yep, Betterman is great, but Off He Goes clears it. It's one of the best studio recordings they've ever done.
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I think if you judge how the studio recordings sound, Off He Goes for me wins by a mile. Better Man transforms itself live on a good night, and Off He Goes barely gets played possibly because it doesn’t naturally fit into an arena rattling experience, but the strength of its studio recording pushes it forward for me. And that’s I think saying a lot of my end since I probably listen to a fair deal more live music than studio.
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