tragabigzanda wrote:There’s another element about this that we’ve only just touched on, which is that all this apparent thirst for commercial relevancy potentially serves to undermine whatever proletariat-oriented lyrics Ed is singing. I’m curious how even the committed Dark Matter lovers will find his words actually connect this time around.
it's like I've said in the past
Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities
he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK
PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest
they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are
Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
when I see PJ championing trans issues I feel like I have dads deciding to nail their colours to the mast when my dad is too chicken shit to do it in public
it's nice that the band with the frontman who once scrawled "pro choice" on his arm during Porch can still make me feel like that
Ms Harmless wrote:when I see PJ championing trans issues I feel like I have dads deciding to nail their colours to the mast when my dad is too chicken shit to do it in public
it's nice that the band with the frontman who once scrawled "pro choice" on his arm during Porch can still make me feel like that
tragabigzanda wrote:There’s another element about this that we’ve only just touched on, which is that all this apparent thirst for commercial relevancy potentially serves to undermine whatever proletariat-oriented lyrics Ed is singing. I’m curious how even the committed Dark Matter lovers will find his words actually connect this time around.
it's like I've said in the past
Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities
he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK
PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest
they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are
Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
Fucker takes private jets just to go the store ffs
Don’t even ask about touring it’s private jets and vip lounges all the way
Do not put your hope in him.
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dimejinky99 wrote:Fucker takes private jets just to go the store ffs
Don’t even asks out touring it’s private jets and vip loungers all the way
Do not put your hope in him.
Your problem is clearly with celebrity in general, not EV. Hey, that reminds me of my favorite saying:
"I hate humans in general, but I love them in particular"
Ed himself once warned about the pitfalls of meeting your “idols”.
I think meeting him before the LB era would have been awesome. Now I just worry it would be a disappointment. I feel like he’d very politely give me the cold shoulder unless there was a really compelling reason to chat.
"For me, it's all about the time we're having just playing the songs. So if it's kind of a mindless good time, then....."
Ms Harmless wrote:
it's like I've said in the past
Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities
he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK
PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest
they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are
Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
the best music to me is thoughtful enough to bridge the largely arbitrary "political" issues that carve the differences between people in 2024. if tucker carlson and Chris Cuomo can sit down and find common ground, there's hope for all of us. it feels unlikely, at best, that my personal views and politics would align well with Eddie Vedder's but ultimately, were I ever able to sit down with the man, my sense is that we would agree about far more regarding the continuum of human emotion and importance of connectedness, and fairness, and justice, and the role of music in all of that, than we would disagree about. I think that's usually the result of good art. bringing disparate viewpoints together.
