Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

[liebzz]

Maybe they did the work?

[Ms Harmless]

Maybe they did the work?

my point exactly

[Ms Harmless]

are we mad at Ed for "ruling the roost", or are we mad at the rest of the band for not quitting despite his cruel dictatorship? at some point we have to admit that this is Pearl Jam, they are all loaded, and no one is forcing them to do anything

[unLEASHed]

Jeez a lot of overwrought analysis here.

These guys get into a room (at least this go around) and come up with stuff that sounds good to their collective ears.

As Ed has said, it’s important to the band as a whole to make sure each guy gets his color of paint on their work.

So, in what way is that inauthentic?

You seem to have a really hard time with RM having discussions beyond "yea! yay pearl jam this rules i cant wait!"

Please calm down. This isn't the Pit.

Nah, DDW makes great points. Not exactly sure why someone is telling him to calm down haha such an odd and patronizing response.

You think it’s reasonable for the drummer to spend his life mastering the tone of his instrument just for some pop producer to vomit on it?

You think someone with Matt Cameron’s talent and experience went thru recording this album not knowing how the producer worked and what his other projects sound like?

What I honestly think is all of these things happened:

-it was decided a long time ago that Ed gets ultimate say in anything that gets released

-Matt believed, it was led to believe, that Wotman/Ghanea wouldn’t do him dirty, OR they assumed that maybe Josh would mix it

-Jeff at one point said he thought they still had work to do, then suddenly the album was done…

-Which makes me think Ed gave Wotman the green light to do whatever, then Ed loved what he heard because he’s going deaf, and by that point it was too late for Matt or anyone else to make a fuss

…And the earth is flat right? bad bad production

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Ms Harmless]

Trag, you can record an album in a weekend; you know this

you think Wotman and Gonorhea took 2-3 months to produce this?

[scrub12]

A simple search shows Jeff said that about the album back in June 2023. So more than a few months ago.

[Ms Harmless]

A simple search shows Jeff said that about the album back in June 2023. So more than a few months ago.

I thought as much

[RockPusher]

What I honestly think is all of these things happened:

-it was decided a long time ago that Ed gets ultimate say in anything that gets released

-Matt believed, it was led to believe, that Wotman/Ghanea wouldn’t do him dirty, OR they assumed that maybe Josh would mix it

-Jeff at one point said he thought they still had work to do, then suddenly the album was done…

-Which makes me think Ed gave Wotman the green light to do whatever, then Ed loved what he heard because he’s going deaf, and by that point it was too late for Matt or anyone else to make a fuss

MASSIVE amount of speculation here. Trag, your weird axe to grind is bordering on delusional.

[bodysnatcher]

Sexxo My Leggo

[oneway23]

Stock, Aitken, & Waterman would've knocked this album out in a weekend

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[philpritchard]

Jeez a lot of overwrought analysis here.

These guys get into a room (at least this go around) and come up with stuff that sounds good to their collective ears.

As Ed has said, it’s important to the band as a whole to make sure each guy gets his color of paint on their work.

So, in what way is that inauthentic?

You seem to have a really hard time with RM having discussions beyond "yea! yay pearl jam this rules i cant wait!"

Please calm down. This isn't the Pit.

Nah, DDW makes great points. Not exactly sure why someone is telling him to calm down haha such an odd and patronizing response.

You think it’s reasonable for the drummer to spend his life mastering the tone of his instrument just for some pop producer to vomit on it?

You think someone with Matt Cameron’s talent and experience went thru recording this album not knowing how the producer worked and what his other projects sound like?

What I honestly think is all of these things happened:

-it was decided a long time ago that Ed gets ultimate say in anything that gets released

-Matt believed, it was led to believe, that Wotman/Ghanea wouldn’t do him dirty, OR they assumed that maybe Josh would mix it

-Jeff at one point said he thought they still had work to do, then suddenly the album was done…

-Which makes me think Ed gave Wotman the green light to do whatever, then Ed loved what he heard because he’s going deaf, and by that point it was too late for Matt or anyone else to make a fuss

Haha jesus christ

[tommy]

I wouldn't have guessed that Trag would be the RMer to start writing Pearl Jam fan fiction.

[RockPusher]

And hey maybe I’m wrong — maybe they all love how it sounds! Some of you seem to so whatever. Still sounds like pure dogshit to me.

a) Dark Matter the song has hallmarks of a certain style of production that you don't like, but you are going way the hell off on how unlistenable it is. You don't like it. Fine. You do you.

b) Literally every other bit of sound we've had from this album is compromised, whether it's the metal door, the fan noise on Something Special, or the weird artifacts and general crappy resolution of Running. Other than Dark Matter the song, we know very little about how this album sounds.

[oneway23]

Look at people acting like me tonight and taking shit to heart. Wild times, yo

[Jaeti]

A simple search shows Jeff said that about the album back in June 2023. So more than a few months ago.

That's what I was going to say. I think Jeff was saying that months before Ed said at one of the shows last fall that the record was done.

[headinspeakers]

what does Trag think about Gigaton and what is his favorite pj album? this will help me understand what the hell is going on.