Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)

[VinylGuy]

I like how in the movie they treat Paul as a half sleep zombie too

[Ello Sailor]

Veggie is being very Traggish in his disdain for Chalamet. Like a broken record (with terrible drum sound).

[Ensign9]

I like how in the movie they treat Paul as a half sleep zombie too

You’d be a heavy-lidded narcoleptic if you were burdened with glorious purpose, too.

[Farmer John]

They did a convincing job of making it seem like he was a good fighter

[VinylGuy]

Veggie is being very Traggish in his disdain for Chalamet. Like a broken record (with terrible drum sound).

I’ll take that as a compliment. There is no one more obsessed with let everyone know again and again his thoughts than Trag.

[Mecca]

They did a convincing job of making it seem like he was a good fighter

it was the weirding way

[tree_]

I'm rewatching Dune 1 after having seen 2 and it being stuck in my mind. I'm noticing some interesting details.

In the beginning, Chani introduces us to the Harkonnen's and the Fremen's situation, saying how the emperor has called on the Harkonnens to leave the planet Arakis, and she says something along the lines of "I wonder who our next oppressors will be" and then the next shot is Paul Atreides, already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).

In Paul's and Gurney's practice fight while still on their home planet Caladan, Paul assumes himself to have won, but then Gurney has a sneaky knife aimed at Paul's midsection. I noticed that this is how Paul's fight with Feyd-Ratha ends in part 2. Paul learned that technique from Gurney.

[Alex]

Thank you for your continued Dune analysis. We find it edifying and interesting.

[Ensign9]

already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).

He's both. Oppression is simply the mechanism by which he will become one (at least, until

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he abandons his path

).

[tree_]

already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).

He's both. Oppression is simply the mechanism by which he will become one (at least, until

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he abandons his path

).

How is he an oppressor? Leto 2 definitely is, as a means of course, but Paul? He is but the spark that lit the Fremen's fury, gave them purpose to oppress others. But really there was no other way. What should have Paul done instead?

[Ensign9]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

[tree_]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

[Mecca]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

What about leading the Fremen to his own personal war?

[tree_]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

What about leading the Fremen to his own personal war?

It's their war too. They've been waiting for this moment for a long time. They were oppressed until he came along.

[Ensign9]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?

[tree_]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?

Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.

[Ensign9]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?

Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.

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Eh, not really if you read all 8 books. The "real" KW (not Paul; not Leto II) is the one that eventually saves humanity -- that was the BG's goal. Maybe that KW would've come into being sooner if Jessica hadn't gone rogue.

[tree_]

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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.

He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.

He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.

Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.

Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies

I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?

Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.

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Eh, not really if you read all 8 books. The "real" KW is the one that eventually saves humanity -- that was the BG's goal. Maybe that KW would've come into being sooner if Jessica hadn't gone rogue.

ah yes, you're right... it was always their intention to steer humanity in the best direction

[E.H. Ruddock]

Just saw it again tonight. So so great. I love when the grenade is breaking through the chopper shield when Chani shoots it.

I’m also really glad they ended the movie on a shot of Chani. I really enjoy her arc in Dune Messiah, and i think ending with that shot showed that Villenueve is already thinking about it

[Farmer John]

Saw this again and loved it even more. Any issues I had with the pacing are no longer the case. What I initially thought was "rushed" is now a "nice brisk pace".