Running

[BurtReynolds]

Eddie was always too sincere and preachy to write especially clever or funny lyrics, but it kinda feels like he finally figured it out? At least sometimes, like with Dance of the Clairvoyants. Personally I like the flow in this song. It's fun in a way that something as cringe as The Fixer could never be.

Also, a few pages back someone said that they were embarrassed that these old guys were trying to do pop punk, but pop punk is about as ancient as grunge, so it's not like they are trying to sound youthful. If they start trying to sound like soundcloud rappers or something, I might be worried.

Anyone else get weirded out with Burt in the PJ chat and supporting PJ?

don't get used to it.

[Ms Harmless]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

[Ms Harmless]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

Dolly Parton has had a resurgence too

[E.H. Ruddock]

8

[stip]

yep, it isn't

if anything I feel like the average "acceptable" age for musicians in pop culture is getting older

This is probably just you getting older H.

Adults want to be able to listen to music they like without feeling bad about it.

[spike]

Bought some new Bose noise canceling earbuds for our trip Down Under, and Running sounds great through them.

Going to play it on repeat as we fly over Montana tonight.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Jorge]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

We're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we're including Limp Bizkit and Evanescence in that list. Both bands released semi-successful albums three years ago after extended absences (in Limp Bizkit's case, it was a flat-out commercial flop). Their audience is largely old fans, not new followers.

I don't deny that there's a bunch of older artists who have managed to sustain long careers, but I'm not sure being able to point at a handful of legacy artists that are still out there supports the claim that "the average acceptable age for musicians in pop culture is getting older"... 20 years ago Rod Stewart was also pumping out hits, The Eagles were still touring sold-out arenas, etc. Older artists have always have always had a presence in contemporary culture. The pop mainstream is still largely dominated by people in their early 20s to mid 30s

Who was the last "older" artist who managed to break through and have their first bona fide hit later in life? Maybe Jelly Roll? Definitely people in the country space more than pop artists

[Strat]

Of all the things I hate about this song, the punk musical aesthetic isn’t one of them.

I do think, however, that Ed’s proletariat lyrics generally feel like cosplay to me now. Not sure if that actually applies here because I haven’t spent any time with the lyrics, but generally speaking I’d say PJ doing punk music, fine but tired; Eddie doing punk lyrics, lol. He should keep singing about his friends’ kitchens.

Honest question: Does Ed/Pj's 30 year or so of really big philanthropic work not give them some passes, respect, goodwill? Are you really that upset about a potential lawsuit with the EB thing and ticket prices? Are you that militant in your beliefs that if someone misfires on occasion thats it for them? Done?

[Strat]

Bought some new Bose noise canceling earbuds for our trip down under, and Running sounds great through them.

Going to play it on repeat as we fly over Montana tonight.

I’m sure I’ll hear it all the way at ground level

may cause earthquakes out my way too!

[Strat]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

We're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we're including Limp Bizkit and Evanescence in that list. Both bands released semi-successful albums three years ago after extended absences (in Limp Bizkit's case, it was a flat-out commercial flop). Their audience is largely old fans, not new followers.

I don't deny that there's a bunch of older artists who have managed to sustain long careers, but I'm not sure being able to point at a handful of legacy artists that are still out there supports the claim that "the average acceptable age for musicians in pop culture is getting older"... 20 years ago Rod Stewart was also pumping out hits, The Eagles were still touring sold-out arenas, etc. Older artists have always have always had a presence in contemporary culture. The pop mainstream is still largely dominated by people in their early 20s to mid 30s

Who was the last "older" artist who managed to break through and have their first bona fide hit later in life? Maybe Jelly Roll? Definitely people in the country space more than pop artists

Charles bradley?

[spike]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

We're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we're including Limp Bizkit and Evanescence in that list. Both bands released semi-successful albums three years ago after extended absences (in Limp Bizkit's case, it was a flat-out commercial flop). Their audience is largely old fans, not new followers.

I don't deny that there's a bunch of older artists who have managed to sustain long careers, but I'm not sure being able to point at a handful of legacy artists that are still out there supports the claim that "the average acceptable age for musicians in pop culture is getting older"... 20 years ago Rod Stewart was also pumping out hits, The Eagles were still touring sold-out arenas, etc. Older artists have always have always had a presence in contemporary culture. The pop mainstream is still largely dominated by people in their early 20s to mid 30s

Who was the last "older" artist who managed to break through and have their first bona fide hit later in life? Maybe Jelly Roll? Definitely people in the country space more than pop artists

The Macarena guys were pretty old.

[RockPusher]

My son agrees that this would make an excellent Sonic the Hedgehog backing track. I typically don't care for the fast punkers as much as the other tracks on Pearl Jam albums. This has wavered between a 3 and a 4 for me, but it's definitely higher than a lot of that type of song in their catalog. The weird part is I really didn't know what to make of it at first, and it's grown on me pretty much every single time I've heard it.

[Ms Harmless]

"older" bands / artists hugely successful in today's environment:

Green Day, Foo Fighters, Beyoncé, Madonna, RHCP, Snoop Dogg, Limp Bizkit, Evanescence / Amy Lee etc etc... these people and more have managed to adapt, reinvent and build a mainstream cult around them that's still strong; even the term "dad rock" I see being used now with an ironic wink that it didn't used to be

We're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we're including Limp Bizkit and Evanescence in that list. Both bands released semi-successful albums three years ago after extended absences (in Limp Bizkit's case, it was a flat-out commercial flop). Their audience is largely old fans, not new followers.

I don't deny that there's a bunch of older artists who have managed to sustain long careers, but I'm not sure being able to point at a handful of legacy artists that are still out there supports the claim that "the average acceptable age for musicians in pop culture is getting older"... 20 years ago Rod Stewart was also pumping out hits, The Eagles were still touring sold-out arenas, etc. Older artists have always have always had a presence in contemporary culture. The pop mainstream is still largely dominated by people in their early 20s to mid 30s

Who was the last "older" artist who managed to break through and have their first bona fide hit later in life? Maybe Jelly Roll? Definitely people in the country space more than pop artists

"I feel like" isn't really a peer-reviewed sociological claim, and of course I only named a few "legacy acts", because that's what we tend to call them when they get older; my feeling I get, having observed my own life from my own perspective with my own brain (especially the Internet outside RM), is that younger people talk of older acts more warmly than me and my peers did when we were young; I said "getting older", not "is older now"... predicting a trend (that isn't fully realised but may be going in a way I predict), not a statement of certainty

[Ms Harmless]

also "in the country space more than pop artists" isn't really relevant to my point (which extended to all styles), especially since country is also "cooler" now than it was in the 90s

[Strat]

nothing is cooler than Achey Breaky Heart.

[Ms Harmless]

I loved that fuckin song

[Jorge]

Country was enormous in the 90s, probably more than now even, but I take your point

[Ms Harmless]

maybe part of this is that we have the internet now as central to every day life, all the cordoned-off mutually exclusive cliques we used to have have exploded, you can find someone (or a space full of people) who thinks just about anything is cool, like Dolly Parton and NIN and... Power Rangers and the Backrooms

[spike]

Of all the things I hate about this song, the punk musical aesthetic isn’t one of them.

I do think, however, that Ed’s proletariat lyrics generally feel like cosplay to me now. Not sure if that actually applies here because I haven’t spent any time with the lyrics, but generally speaking I’d say PJ doing punk music, fine but tired; Eddie doing punk lyrics, lol. He should keep singing about his friends’ kitchens.

Honest question: Does Ed/Pj's 30 year or so of really big philanthropic work not give them some passes, respect, goodwill? Are you really that upset about a potential lawsuit with the EB thing and ticket prices? Are you that militant in your beliefs that if someone misfires on occasion thats it for them? Done?

WWSAD