Dark Matter (song)

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I regret that at one point in my fandom i was the one who told people who didnt like pearl jam to stop posting about pearl jam.

That is not what I’m doing. And I can be critical of Pearl Jam. Evacuation for example is a song I actively dislike.

Okay, how about on the count of three we all just let this go and move on with our day. Streamer bots and how we measure widespread success is an interesting conversation. We've hit our quota of board meta commentary for the week.

[spike]

It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

I'm not the person to answer that. I am sure some gaming happens, but I have spent some idle moments looking at Pearl Jam's spotify numbers song by song (it's a nice distraction when there is space to check out in a remote meeting) and they do pretty much track the way I would expect them too, with the songs identified as singles and hits usually fairly far ahead of the deeper album cuts. I've always wondered how much Pearl Jam's numbers are impacted by the existence of a SIRUS XM station devoted exclusively to the band.

Based on some of the articles you posted, it doesn't seem like their use would be as prevalent with legacy artists who have built in fan bases.

I miss the days of album sales as a shorthand for interest/distribution and success. I'm sure there were tons of challenges with that as well (Monster sold a lot of copies, as did Vitalogy, but they were easily the most popular Pearl Jam and REM entries in every used CD section i ever perused), but it seems cleaner

This all seems fair.

My skepticism about the numbers for Running have virtually nothing to do with the song, and more to do with the fact that it's been out for like 48 hours.

3. Bargaining

[Ms Harmless]

people who loudly and aggressively hate things I love, in what I perceive as my space (rightly or wrongly) can and do put me off those things over time; I absorb their feelings over time, even if I know deep down they're still not my feelings (because every time I spend time with the music I associate it with our conflict); so, when people are expressing opposite feelings to mine about Pearl Jam (within reason), I have to take a break from the discourse and just listen on my own, where nobody's feelings matter but mine; it's just how my brain works and I accept it, don't feel I have to change it, and have ways to cope with it; I only get into verbal fisticuffs when I feel someone's innate humanity, intelligence, and physical ability is being insulted just because we feel different about a piece of pop art

[stip]

It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

I'm not the person to answer that. I am sure some gaming happens, but I have spent some idle moments looking at Pearl Jam's spotify numbers song by song (it's a nice distraction when there is space to check out in a remote meeting) and they do pretty much track the way I would expect them too, with the songs identified as singles and hits usually fairly far ahead of the deeper album cuts. I've always wondered how much Pearl Jam's numbers are impacted by the existence of a SIRUS XM station devoted exclusively to the band.

Based on some of the articles you posted, it doesn't seem like their use would be as prevalent with legacy artists who have built in fan bases.

I miss the days of album sales as a shorthand for interest/distribution and success. I'm sure there were tons of challenges with that as well (Monster sold a lot of copies, as did Vitalogy, but they were easily the most popular Pearl Jam and REM entries in every used CD section i ever perused), but it seems cleaner

This all seems fair.

My skepticism about the numbers for Running have virtually nothing to do with the song, and more to do with the fact that it's been out for like 48 hours.

I don't think Running is that high yet. The early comment was about Dark Matter. As of a few seconds ago:

Dark Matter -5,139,272
Running - 341,892

that running number feels plausible. If anything it feels low, but that might just be because a day of a song's release feels like two weeks given the pace of the board conversation

[oneway23]

Streaming is an interesting beast for assessing popularity. Going by Spotify numbers, many listeners in the current generation apparently view "Here Comes the Sun" as among the most popular in that catalog.
Great song, but, that would probably be a pretty wild take were it isolated as an opinion on, say, a Beatle-centric forum.

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4 years out, Dance has 37 million listens, and Superblood has 22.5. QE and REtrograde have about 13. Everything else ranges between 4-7 million. But DM seems to have been a much bigger hit


Mind Your Manners (going back a long ways) has 16 million listens, and I think that did pretty well, but it's right in line with a few of the other bigger fan hits on the album (Getaway, Lightning Bolt, Pendulum - all 16-21).

Future Days, which had some 3rd party placement, is at 32.5

Sirens, a decade out, has 101 million

That's just for some recent context. I don't remember how fast Dance started to put up its numbers. Those were the early days of my Spotify usage when I was still using itunes as much as possible

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Strat]

Its all about streaming plays. Its really only how bands will get signed by any degree. So, yea, its all streaming.

Im gonna pay so many bots somehow and get myself famous so you can all E my A

[spike]

Its all about streaming plays. Its really only how bands will get signed by any degree. So, yea, its all streaming.

Im gonna pay so many bots somehow and get myself famous so you can all E my A

Every time you feel the urge to make a post defending trag, detour to Spotify and play one of your songs instead.

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I'll leave you on repeat, Strat!

[Strat]

With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

[oneway23]

Its all about streaming plays. Its really only how bands will get signed by any degree. So, yea, its all streaming.

Im gonna pay so many bots somehow and get myself famous so you can all E my A

I bet you'll leave ambient mics in the mix and you'll ease up on the master compression bus on your record.
If you get famous and meet Wotman, please get him to see the error of his ways and change his approach on the next PJ album. I might just E your A

[Ms Harmless]

With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

[Jorge]

The "Dark Matter" streaming numbers make sense especially if it's been placed in a few high profile playlists, which I think it has

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Ms Harmless]

With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

I agree with you there, hilariously weird and phoned in (pun definitely intended) which is why I'm sticking entirely to me and the music this time

[stip]

With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

As opposed to Gigaton's? Three videos for the same thing and point your cell phone towards the sky for a clip of SBWM. Pearl Jam has never been good at self-promotion. Their hearts are not into it.

Uninformed and directionless is 100% fair, but it's nothing new.

[Ms Harmless]

With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

As opposed to Gigaton's? Three videos for the same thing and point your cell phone towards the sky for a clip of SBWM. Pearl Jam has never been good at self-promotion. Their hearts are not into it.

Uninformed and directionless is 100% fair, but it's nothing new.

I'm really hoping that the "movie" thing being released to cinemas is available to stream like Gigaton's was because I thought that was really, really good

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now